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Originally posted by runt
Chuck,these are restored by yourself, or in original condition?
As far as I've been able to tell both examples are in original condition as shipped from the factory in Bienne Switzerland back in the day. I'm sure both watches have been serviced through the years and may well have certain "wear" parts replaced much as any of us would replace a brake pad, wiper blades or tires.
I have had the 105.003 overhauled by a trusted watchmaker as it had "Chrono Hour Creep" where the Chronograph Hour hand will creep forward even when the chronograph is stopped. One can actually see in the picture I had included in my previous post that the hour register isn't zeroed. That's CHC... It's been fixed since I took that snap.
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Originally posted by runt
Whatever,they are remarkable,
Thank you. I feel the same way about them. The 105.003 [the second one] in particular is, in my opinion, the pinnacle of the "Speedmaster experience". This is the same model that Ed White wore when he did his Space walk on Gemini 4 and later survived the Apollo 1 fire.
The reason I prefer the 105.003 is that it's very plain compared with the models before and after it. It's the cleanest and plainest Speedmaster ever made and it has a quiet elegance about it. Like a Movado Museum watch, it's just plainly elegant. It doesn't need to shout about what it is.
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Originally posted by runt
if you'll pardon my lowering the tone of the conversation, what kind of value could these command now?
Well, It's really hard to say with the CK2915-3 [the one with the silver colored main hands] as they are pretty uncommon and don't show up on eBay especially often. The "Dash-1" and "Dash-2"'s are the real pricey one's which have "Broad Arrow" hands.
Now that watch [which is a CK2915-1 or what many of us collector's will call a "Dash One" is probably worth anywhere from, Hmmm... I'd say about $12,000 up to about.... [fumbling for the auction final results...] Well, they had two Dash-Two's sell at the big Omegamania Auction back in April: 106,200 Swiss Francs and 94,400 Swiss Francs respectively... That's 64,231.28 Euro and 57,094.47 Euro respectively.
However the highest price I've seen for a Dash One or Dash Two on eBay was $26,000 or so... I archived the auction for future reference:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/omega/archives/26100_CK2915_ebay.pdf But that was several years ago.
My Dash Three example, I paid $3,300 for it back in the spring of 2003 and it's probably worth something closer to what the CK2998's went for at Omega mania which was... 30,680 Swiss Francs and 21,240 Swiss Francs or 18,555.70 Euro and 12,846.26 Euro respectively. The highest price I've seen on eBay for a CK2998 was about $14,000 fairly recently:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/omega/archives/auctions/14100USD_CK2998_230024151138/eBay_CK2998_1959_OMEGA_SPEEDMASTER_230024151138.pdf But that one had EVERY SPECK of original boxes and papers that a collector could ever dream of. I only have the watch, so mine wouldn't be worth quite that much, even though my dial is in better "non-turned" condition. "Turned means the dial has changed from it's original black to a Chocolate Brown...
But it has an original bracelet. Mine is in much better shape though... So maybe it wouldn't be too far behind.
As for the 105.003's. They are quite a bit more common... They can probably still be had in the $3,500 to $6,000 range without too much scrounging. But the Omegamania auction was like Tsunami in the watch collecting world and we're still trying to make sense of where values will settle out to be in the future.
I guess this goes to show that there certainly is a lot to the Speedmaster topic.
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Originally posted by runt
Back to CF 7,this has been inspiring, told my wife:"I'm speaking to the owner of a car I've loved since I was thirteen, in 1968!" Also, great that Mike and yourself are in contact, power to the internet!
The internet is an amazing thing. I have people I consider friends in about 20-25 countries and every week I get unsolicited emails from at least a dozen countries seeking my assistance or advice on chronograph topics. It amazes me that a Department of Defense program meant to ensure communications after a nuclear war has probably done more to bring the world closer together than all of the Peace marches combined!
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Originally posted by runt
The evolution of the Ford 'Total Performance' lineage though the 1960's V-8s has always inspired me, like most enthusiasts I admire all kinds of Yankee V-8s but the Ford small block for example sounds SO different to a Chev; what with the firing order etc., if we listen to the chase in 'Bullitt', McQueen's 390GT Muzzie sounds nothing like the Charger R/T noise,apparently the soundtrack we hear there is NOT the 390 FE, but a GT40 soundtrack overlaid..! (Small or Big Block, I know not.)
Well of course, the 390 isn't a small block Ford. It's a FE just like the 406, 427 and 428... The 428 is really just a bored and stroked 390 for the most part.
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Originally posted by runt
The Supercharged 312 in your father's T-Bird is clearly the start of the Y Block performance options, an inspired period for Ford!
Actually, it probably was the pinacle of the Y-Block development. I don't believe that Ford ever shipped a more powerful version of the Y-Block. The Dual-Quad E-Bird's developed 275 and 285 HP [Manual/Auto] and the Supercharged version was rated at 300hp. But I personally believe that to be conservative. My dad certainly walked away from me in my 1969 Torino GT Convertable [390] during a driving Thunderstorm (him on Bias ply Wide-Whitewalls, me on brand new BF Goodrich T/A Radials.]...
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Originally posted by runt
I'm wondering if anyone on here has one of these rumoured early Fruas with a 427 fitted from new..?
It's possible I suppose. I suspect that CF1 was a 427 as the really early articles I've seen call the car the AC 427. But I don't really know.
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Originally posted by runt
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Paul.
Again, it's been a pleasure chatting P!
-- Chuck
