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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / Re: Save the ACECA ACE engine or go Ford
« on: November 02, 2019, 15:12:26 »
Robin what is the cost of a new AC Weller engine?
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / Save the ACECA ACE engine or go Ford
« on: November 02, 2019, 13:14:10 »
A client contacted me yesterday for some advice on what to do with his 1958 ACECA Ace. The matching Ace engine is in the shop but in deplorable condition. So he is faced with the following decisions:
Stick with the Ace engine and make every effort to get it in good mechanical order again.
Pro: It is the original engine.
Con: They may very well find out after countless hours and expense that the engine can not be saved.
Would it be better to buy another Ace engine?
Pro: It would be the correct engine.
Con: What would an Ace engine cost?
As opposed to the third option:
Would he replace the Ace engine with a Ford engine?
Pro: An easier engine to find
Con: Is he taking away even more of the car's value with the Ford engine.
And if he were to do a Ford conversion - which Ford engine would work best?
The body of the car is sound. What makes the most sense for the value of the car in this situation? You have to factor in the expense of the first option - diving in to an engine that may not be able to be salvaged in order to start ticking off the options. Is there a point where you just know it can't be saved and it is not worth pursuing?
How much would a replacement Ace engine cost and after factoring in purchasing, shipping and installing will it hold more value than the faster, less expensive option of the Ford engine?
I know as a broker what the value of the car is when all is said and done no matter what engine he choose but the question is which process is the best for him to take that makes sense money and time wise?
What say you ACOC forum?
Stick with the Ace engine and make every effort to get it in good mechanical order again.
Pro: It is the original engine.
Con: They may very well find out after countless hours and expense that the engine can not be saved.
Would it be better to buy another Ace engine?
Pro: It would be the correct engine.
Con: What would an Ace engine cost?
As opposed to the third option:
Would he replace the Ace engine with a Ford engine?
Pro: An easier engine to find
Con: Is he taking away even more of the car's value with the Ford engine.
And if he were to do a Ford conversion - which Ford engine would work best?
The body of the car is sound. What makes the most sense for the value of the car in this situation? You have to factor in the expense of the first option - diving in to an engine that may not be able to be salvaged in order to start ticking off the options. Is there a point where you just know it can't be saved and it is not worth pursuing?
How much would a replacement Ace engine cost and after factoring in purchasing, shipping and installing will it hold more value than the faster, less expensive option of the Ford engine?
I know as a broker what the value of the car is when all is said and done no matter what engine he choose but the question is which process is the best for him to take that makes sense money and time wise?
What say you ACOC forum?
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / Re: Aceca Bristol with ford engine
« on: October 14, 2019, 16:33:31 »
If anyone has an ACECA with a Ford engine that they would like to sell I have a buyer.
Kelly Dietrick
kelly@exceptionalcarbroker.com
Kelly Dietrick
kelly@exceptionalcarbroker.com
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / I Know Where The Bodies Are Buried Update
« on: October 14, 2019, 15:43:35 »
Hello Fellow ACOC Members.
I just want to take a moment to say that I have a few great AC cars available that are not on the open market. An AC 428 Frua, an AC Bristol (LHD and a RHD) and an ACECA Ace (sold) for starters. If you would like to be on my newsletter list please shoot me an e-mail at kelly@exceptionalcarbroker.com I promise you will be treated to an exceptional collection of privately traded cars; Lancia, FIAT, Jaguar's AC's - many of them only available to my private clients. So shoot me an e-mail and see what you have been missing.
Yours in Cars,
Kelly Dietrick
I just want to take a moment to say that I have a few great AC cars available that are not on the open market. An AC 428 Frua, an AC Bristol (LHD and a RHD) and an ACECA Ace (sold) for starters. If you would like to be on my newsletter list please shoot me an e-mail at kelly@exceptionalcarbroker.com I promise you will be treated to an exceptional collection of privately traded cars; Lancia, FIAT, Jaguar's AC's - many of them only available to my private clients. So shoot me an e-mail and see what you have been missing.
Yours in Cars,
Kelly Dietrick
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / Re: 1958 AC Aceca with first Bristol engine?
« on: July 14, 2019, 15:35:00 »
My mistake. It's Silverstone that is mentioned in the first post. My apologies to Bonham's. I was thinking of this listing: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25453/lot/319/ AE511 from July 5th. I am going to assume, given the description and the price it sold for that the engine was not a matching number engine. I could be wrong. But I hope I'm not because that would be a pretty low price for that car in my opinion.
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / Re: 1958 AC Aceca with first Bristol engine?
« on: July 13, 2019, 23:40:38 »
I do not believe the auction house is responsible for misrepresenting a car. It is in the fine print. Bonham's should know better. They are known to do their homework on cars. And this is a sloppy mistake because the 57 and earlier Aceca Bristols are actually Mille Miglia eligible. Oddly enough so are the AC Ace's but the Bristol engine cars run as well. Until the organization changes it's mind.
And it may look like, because I am a broker, I am throwing shade on the auction houses but reading some of the write-ups is like breaking a code. You have to decipher what they are really saying. If they don't trumpet the fact that the car has its original engine it is a clear indication that the car does not have its original engine.
And yes. You have to do your homework. You did not just purchase that OSCA MT4 for $300,000.00 because it was the last car to be auctioned and everyone had left the house leaving you the luckiest guy alive.
And it may look like, because I am a broker, I am throwing shade on the auction houses but reading some of the write-ups is like breaking a code. You have to decipher what they are really saying. If they don't trumpet the fact that the car has its original engine it is a clear indication that the car does not have its original engine.
And yes. You have to do your homework. You did not just purchase that OSCA MT4 for $300,000.00 because it was the last car to be auctioned and everyone had left the house leaving you the luckiest guy alive.
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / Re: 1958 AC Aceca with first Bristol engine?
« on: July 13, 2019, 20:34:26 »
Think my membership just expired but have been a member and will continue to be a member. I have the June Action mag but you must be referring to the July issue.
No matter that won't help someone buying this car because they believe that it is the first Bristol engined ACECA.
No matter that won't help someone buying this car because they believe that it is the first Bristol engined ACECA.
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / 1958 AC Aceca with first Bristol engine?
« on: July 13, 2019, 18:16:24 »
Okay I am confused. I came across this listing for a 1958 Aceca with a Bristol engine.
Silverstone Auctions - The Silverstone Classic Sale 2019 | Silverstone, 27 July https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/ac/aceca/1958/682757
Engine No: 100 D2 813 Bristol D2 engine, the first Aceca fitted with the Bristol engine. First registered 2 July 1958.
If this is correct than how can it be that ACECA's with the Bristol engine 1957 and earlier are eligible for the Mille Miglia if the first one was not produced until 1958 according to this write-up?
Silverstone Auctions - The Silverstone Classic Sale 2019 | Silverstone, 27 July https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/ac/aceca/1958/682757
Engine No: 100 D2 813 Bristol D2 engine, the first Aceca fitted with the Bristol engine. First registered 2 July 1958.
If this is correct than how can it be that ACECA's with the Bristol engine 1957 and earlier are eligible for the Mille Miglia if the first one was not produced until 1958 according to this write-up?
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / Re: AC engine number CL 2213W
« on: January 29, 2019, 20:00:42 »
This is from the 1998 Register if it's any help:
AE 103 CL 2213W 10-29-55 C. Leadbetter UK location 6-90 ACtion
AE 103 CL 2213W 10-29-55 C. Leadbetter UK location 6-90 ACtion
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / Trade for AC Bristol or AC Ace
« on: October 30, 2018, 18:03:32 »
I have a client that has a beautiful 1965 Jaguar XKE OTS RHD (original rhd two owner car) and an Aston Butterworth (chassis has F2 history from 1952 and 1953 and the body was made by Marurice Gomm in the early 50's) He would consider trading either car for an Ac Bristol, or an AC Ace or an XK120 (preferably LHD). He is located in the states. I have attached two pictures below. Both cars come with a ton of documentation.
contact: kelly@classictag.net
contact: kelly@classictag.net
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / AC Ace prices
« on: September 27, 2018, 17:57:00 »
In researching AC Ace price's in order to price a car for a client I came across some interesting numbers.
These are recent auction results:
1960 AC Ace 9/18 not a lot of information as to original engine or not but sold for $181,321.00
1956 AEX 160 - sold for $362,500.00 older restoration but Mille Miglia eligible
1954 AC Ace "first AC Ace ever made" sold for $522,492.00
Is the AC Ace hitting the mid 300's?
These are recent auction results:
1960 AC Ace 9/18 not a lot of information as to original engine or not but sold for $181,321.00
1956 AEX 160 - sold for $362,500.00 older restoration but Mille Miglia eligible
1954 AC Ace "first AC Ace ever made" sold for $522,492.00
Is the AC Ace hitting the mid 300's?
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / Re: Bastardized AEX198 for sale
« on: August 06, 2018, 16:01:12 »
I was just offered this car. Apparently it has been on the market on and off for ten years. The price is ridiculous.
Just found it on Hemming's: https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/ac/ace/2147364.html
Just found it on Hemming's: https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/ac/ace/2147364.html
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / For Sale 1958 ACECA AEX672
« on: July 11, 2018, 15:22:14 »
AC Aceca coupe, AEX672, was completed on June 24, 1958 and shipped to BC Sports Cars of Vancouver, British Columbia. A set of electric carburetor heaters are an additional rarity.
AEX672 is known to have retained its correct AC engine since 1958, numbered CL 2356-W. It should be noted that AC production records of the period were not always strictly accurate, and sometimes changes occurred between the printing of the production records and assembly of each specific car. In this case, AEX661 and AEX672 were built sequentially for export to BC Sports Cars, and the engine present in AEX672 was supposedly intended during production for AEX661. The intervening cars were all Bristol-powered, and AEX661 is presently fitted with a Bristol unit. Since none of the prior owners of either car swapped engines, and it is doubtful that BC Sports Cars swapped engines between the two cars, the engines were most likely installed at the factory in the wrong cars, particularly since “matching numbers” was not such a concern back then. In short, AEX672 was almost certainly born with engine CL 2356-W.
AEX672 received a sympathetic restoration in 2007 with emphasis on maintaining originality, particularly the leather seat upholstery and the wood-veneer dash, while other items were replaced or restored as required. The AC ‘six’ (CL 2356-W) was completely rebuilt and equipped with a period full-flow oil filter. The Aceca retains its original radio and features a set of five 56-spoke wire wheels finished in Argent, crowned by new AC-scripted knock-offs and mounted on a set of correct new bias-ply tires, plus the factory-optional original Moto-Lita steering wheel. The body received a bare-metal refinish, the chassis was detailed, and close inspection confirms that AEX672 was properly maintained, stored and kept dry throughout its life.
Other features include the seats and seatbelts, the original radio-speaker box and antenna, the original sun visors, original “tripod” headlamps and a properly functioning heater/de-mister. The window frames were re-chromed and new items include a windshield and Perspex rear window from England, the Perspex license-plate window, the weather stripping and window felts, a new muffler and flex-pipes, stainless-steel front and rear bumpers and more. Following completion, AEX672 was invited to numerous high-profile concours events including Amelia Island, Louisville and Meadow Brook, as well as the 2009 Glenmoor Gathering, where it earned Best in Class.
AEX 672 comes with the original owner’s handbook, supporting documents and tools,
Please note this car is a 1958-model year car, completed June 24, 1958, but is currently titled as a 1959-model year car.
Car is located in the US. e-mail kelly@classictag.net for more pictures
Asking $200,000.00 obo
AEX672 is known to have retained its correct AC engine since 1958, numbered CL 2356-W. It should be noted that AC production records of the period were not always strictly accurate, and sometimes changes occurred between the printing of the production records and assembly of each specific car. In this case, AEX661 and AEX672 were built sequentially for export to BC Sports Cars, and the engine present in AEX672 was supposedly intended during production for AEX661. The intervening cars were all Bristol-powered, and AEX661 is presently fitted with a Bristol unit. Since none of the prior owners of either car swapped engines, and it is doubtful that BC Sports Cars swapped engines between the two cars, the engines were most likely installed at the factory in the wrong cars, particularly since “matching numbers” was not such a concern back then. In short, AEX672 was almost certainly born with engine CL 2356-W.
AEX672 received a sympathetic restoration in 2007 with emphasis on maintaining originality, particularly the leather seat upholstery and the wood-veneer dash, while other items were replaced or restored as required. The AC ‘six’ (CL 2356-W) was completely rebuilt and equipped with a period full-flow oil filter. The Aceca retains its original radio and features a set of five 56-spoke wire wheels finished in Argent, crowned by new AC-scripted knock-offs and mounted on a set of correct new bias-ply tires, plus the factory-optional original Moto-Lita steering wheel. The body received a bare-metal refinish, the chassis was detailed, and close inspection confirms that AEX672 was properly maintained, stored and kept dry throughout its life.
Other features include the seats and seatbelts, the original radio-speaker box and antenna, the original sun visors, original “tripod” headlamps and a properly functioning heater/de-mister. The window frames were re-chromed and new items include a windshield and Perspex rear window from England, the Perspex license-plate window, the weather stripping and window felts, a new muffler and flex-pipes, stainless-steel front and rear bumpers and more. Following completion, AEX672 was invited to numerous high-profile concours events including Amelia Island, Louisville and Meadow Brook, as well as the 2009 Glenmoor Gathering, where it earned Best in Class.
AEX 672 comes with the original owner’s handbook, supporting documents and tools,
Please note this car is a 1958-model year car, completed June 24, 1958, but is currently titled as a 1959-model year car.
Car is located in the US. e-mail kelly@classictag.net for more pictures
Asking $200,000.00 obo
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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / 1960 AC Bristol BEX1098 For Sale
« on: July 11, 2018, 14:59:32 »
Purchased in 1985 by current owner and restored.
Matching numbers
Continuous ownership history
Local in period racing
Curved windshield
Wheels- 15 in Dayton gray, have 5 -16 in wheels with Pirelli tires come with car as well as a set of 6 Whitworth wrenches
Original manual
Weather equipment-includes soft top, bows, side curtains, and tonneau cover.
Car runs and drives very well. Like flying an airplane (owner should know since he flies an airplane).
Paint is in excellent condition.
Located on the east coast in the US
Mileage 38,659 miles
A need nothing car priced right. Ready to be raced, rallied, toured, shown and enjoyed by the next owner.
e-mail kelly@classictag.net for more pictures
$310,000.00 obo
Matching numbers
Continuous ownership history
Local in period racing
Curved windshield
Wheels- 15 in Dayton gray, have 5 -16 in wheels with Pirelli tires come with car as well as a set of 6 Whitworth wrenches
Original manual
Weather equipment-includes soft top, bows, side curtains, and tonneau cover.
Car runs and drives very well. Like flying an airplane (owner should know since he flies an airplane).
Paint is in excellent condition.
Located on the east coast in the US
Mileage 38,659 miles
A need nothing car priced right. Ready to be raced, rallied, toured, shown and enjoyed by the next owner.
e-mail kelly@classictag.net for more pictures
$310,000.00 obo
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General Forum / Potential Increased US Customs Duties on Vintage Vehicle Imports of 25 Percent
« on: June 10, 2018, 23:40:10 »
This is an e-mail from my client Marshall Miller. He is an avid car collector and senior partner in the law firm Miller&Company P.C. His firm is directly engaged in representing client's on the issue of tariffs Trump is threatening to impose on the motor vehicle industry.
In my other life I am the senior partner in a law firm that is solely focused on import/export law. I have 48 years of experience in the area and have represented most of the motor vehicle manufacturers with US production facilities among a wide range of other industry segments. You can learn more about my firm at the website noted below.
It just occurred to me that the latest of President Trump’s trade actions against the motor vehicle industry, if it proceeds, will impact your company as vintage vehicle duties will have an added 25 %. A copy of our latest firm memorandum on the subject is linked herehttp://www.millerco.com/pdfdocuments/Public%20Comments%20and%20Public%20Hearing%20on%20Section%20232.PDF. If vehicles are imported under TIBs it is possible this new extra duty would be doubled to 50 percent if the vehicle is sold and the purchaser wishes to take delivery in the U.S.. I strongly urge you to consider preparing comments to be submitted by the deadline of June 22, 2018 requesting that vintage vehicles be exempted from this plan. We would be pleased to be of assistance. Please contact me at your earliest convenience by phone or email. Thank you.
Marshall V. Miller
Miller & Company P.C.
4929 Main Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64112
816-561-4999 (Phone)
816-561-5999 (Fax)
In my other life I am the senior partner in a law firm that is solely focused on import/export law. I have 48 years of experience in the area and have represented most of the motor vehicle manufacturers with US production facilities among a wide range of other industry segments. You can learn more about my firm at the website noted below.
It just occurred to me that the latest of President Trump’s trade actions against the motor vehicle industry, if it proceeds, will impact your company as vintage vehicle duties will have an added 25 %. A copy of our latest firm memorandum on the subject is linked herehttp://www.millerco.com/pdfdocuments/Public%20Comments%20and%20Public%20Hearing%20on%20Section%20232.PDF. If vehicles are imported under TIBs it is possible this new extra duty would be doubled to 50 percent if the vehicle is sold and the purchaser wishes to take delivery in the U.S.. I strongly urge you to consider preparing comments to be submitted by the deadline of June 22, 2018 requesting that vintage vehicles be exempted from this plan. We would be pleased to be of assistance. Please contact me at your earliest convenience by phone or email. Thank you.
Marshall V. Miller
Miller & Company P.C.
4929 Main Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64112
816-561-4999 (Phone)
816-561-5999 (Fax)