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General Forum / 1966 Registration??
« on: July 31, 2011, 19:38:11 »
Chafford,
   
   I address Koen Poschets post: “it is indeed a 1966 AC Cobra 427”.
   
   Let him reply to it, rather than introduce material irrelevant to the statement he makes.
   
   Please also desist in posting advertising material on our website.
   Non-members who do not exercise restraint may lose the opportunity to participate in the ACOC’s forum.
   
   Robin Stainer

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General Forum / 1966 Registration??
« on: July 31, 2011, 16:07:10 »
RE COX 3361, CLAIMING TO BE A ‘1966 AC Cobra 427’
   
   Period (1962-69) Cobras are exceptionally well documented, both by the ACOC and the SAAC. Both clubs have operated Cobra registers for over 30 years and the information in both registers is consistent, both registrars cooperating very closely.
   
   COX 3361 is not a 1966 AC Cobra 427:
   1.   Neither the ACOC nor the SAAC record it as a period Cobra.
   2.   COX 3361 is not recorded in the AC Factory Ledger. (Several copies of AC’s Factory Ledger are in frequent use, and a transcript of the entire Cobra section has been published by Haynes (ISBN 85960 849 3).)
   3.   In period, AC never issued a ‘COX 3361’ car number for an AC 427 or any other AC vehicle.
   4.   The vehicle cannot have a ‘correct British V5’ recording it as a 1966 vehicle. If Koen Poschet emails me an image of the car’s V5 (rstainer@radcothouse.co.uk) I will advise him how the V5 does not accord with DVLA requirements.
   
   Robin Stainer
   ACOC Thames Ditton Cobra Registrar

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General Forum / An Interesting Colour Scheme!
« on: July 28, 2011, 14:23:11 »
Gus,
   
   The CONTENT of a post and the AUTHOR of a post are very different matters. My simple suggestion is that CONTENT be relevant to the Club's purpose.
   
   AC Bill's post concerned AC and Shelby colours, a technical issue absolutely relevant to the Club's purpose, and spawned a fascinating string.
   
   RS

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General Forum / An Interesting Colour Scheme!
« on: July 27, 2011, 14:37:00 »
PS: As a further illustration of our democratic structure, we welcome members to our monthly Council meetings and always let them present their ideas.
   
   £40 a year gives you not only the opportunity to turn your ideas into practical action, but also the monthly ACtion magazine, access to our Registers and Library (both a must for anyone keen on the marque) and a wealth of technical advice concerning any AC model you might be considering or, hopefully, aquire.
   
   RS

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General Forum / An Interesting Colour Scheme!
« on: July 27, 2011, 14:23:41 »
Dear Mark Chafford,
   
   The Club is entirely democratic. Join the Club, participate in the election of the Council and maybe put youself forward.
   
   I also suggest buying an AC: you'll be much rewarded.
   
   Robin Stainer

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General Forum / Princess Blue, vs Viking Blue..etc
« on: July 27, 2011, 14:07:41 »
I thought I’d add a few historical notes to this very interesting string.
   AC only offered two blue options on CSX leaf-spring Cobras, Bright Blue and Princess Blue (silver with a touch of blue in it). Both these blues are metallic and were (as far as we know) provided by either ICI or Valentines. Shelby used the same colour names (Bright Blue and Princess Blue) for leaf-spring Cobras; no period Shelby leaf-spring invoices refer to any other shades.
   However, Shelby American sometimes had to repair paintwork damaged in transit. Not having access to ICI colours, they used the nearest US equivalent. The only Shelby record I have, dated 17 Sept 1964, concerns a Princess Blue car and refers the owner to Dupont Lucite 44821 which “can be purchased at your local paint store.” Lucite was a metallic finish only offered by Dupont; AC never used Lucite or any other Dupont formulations.
   It would appear that Shelby American used Guardsman Blue, a Ford colour, to repair Bright Blue cars; the match is better described as ‘sort of OK’ rather than good; in particular, the Guardsman metallic finish is ‘louder’.
   As the string makes clear, Shelby painted their 64 team cars Viking Blue (never used by AC) and 65 cars Guardsman Blue. AC painted one leaf spring Cobra Guardsman Blue by special order: COX 6057, painted in June 65 for 7 July delivery to David Weir, a US Navy officer.
   AC went on to offer Guardsman Blue as well as Bright Blue from late 66 onwards on their coil spring 289 Sports (COB/COX  6000 series) but not the 427 (CSX 3000 series).

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General Forum / An Interesting Colour Scheme!
« on: July 27, 2011, 12:41:31 »
Dear Mark Chafford,
   
   My advice stands. The more the forum is taken over by individuals who do not appear ever to have owned an AC (per the Club's registers), do not appear to have any special knowledge of the marque and do not appear to to be prepared to join the Club that provides this Forum, the more it discourages true AC enthusiasts from using it.
   
   Please do not contribute to the Thames Ditton Cobra forum unless you have something interesting to say that is not in our registers or other readily-available sources.
   
   Robin Stainer
   rstainer@radcothouse.co.uk

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General Forum / An Interesting Colour Scheme!
« on: July 26, 2011, 12:03:39 »
Dear Chafford,
   
   The first few words on our Website are "The ACOC exists to promote the preservation and enjoyment of all the different models built by the AC company from 1903."
   
   Please desist from Forum postings that don't concern ACs. If in any doubt, kindly consult our registers for a definitive answer.
   
   Robin Stainer
   rstainer@radcothouse.co.uk

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Mk IV, Superblower, CRS and other Continuation Cars Forum / Octane MkIV feature
« on: July 25, 2011, 19:07:01 »
The lad doing the emissions clearly recognised that a car incorrect in all detail with an after-market chassis plate was not an AC.

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / 'Cobra' 289 Mk III AE 1138 YXN 506
« on: July 25, 2011, 14:46:31 »
The cars history is fully described in the ACOC Ace Register (http://www.acownersclub.co.uk/members area/models/ace/AceRegister_2010_12.pdf). The the ACOC registers make clear, the car is neither a 'Cobra' nor a 'Cobra Replica'; it is a modified Ace.
   
   Please post any further enquiry to the Ace, Aceca and Greyhound forum.

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General Forum / 1966 Registration??
« on: July 21, 2011, 16:47:16 »
See my answer above.

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General Forum / 1966 Registration??
« on: July 19, 2011, 16:18:25 »
The car canot be legally registered as a 1966 car in the UK as there was no 'original' (COX 3361) vehicle.
   
   The answer to the original question, as with many questions of vehicle paperwork, is that it's registered in Belgium, which is one up on Panama. What it is registered as I do not know.
   
   It didn't sell.

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428 Frua Forum / Meaning of CSX?
« on: July 11, 2011, 12:46:01 »
quote:
Originally posted by rstainer
   
Sorry, should read: The ACOC Cobra Register Introduction sets out what is known about AC's Cobra car number prefixes, and deals with CS, CSB, & A (as well as the better known CSX, COX & COB).
   
   If anyone has any different information, please email me (rstainer@radcothouse.co.uk)referring to authoritative sources.
   

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428 Frua Forum / Meaning of CSX?
« on: July 11, 2011, 12:43:52 »
The ACOC Cobra Register Introduction sets out what is known about AC's Cobra car number prefixes, and deals with CS, CSB, & A (as well as the better known CSX, COX & COB.
   
   If anyone has any different information, please email me (rstainer@radcorhouse.co.uk)referring to authoritative sources.

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428 Frua Forum / Meaning of CSX?
« on: July 11, 2011, 12:29:43 »

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