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General Forum / Re: Value of found AC Bristol
« on: October 09, 2020, 18:44:06 »
Nik,

Am I missing something here? Yes. What am I missing here? ACOC register principles previously set out in ACtion.

The Club’s Continuous History, Continuity of Title and Replica principles are:
  • Only ACs where there is no reasonable doubt as to continuous history are recorded as existing now
  • A car has continuous history if it has been kept together as a vehicle since original completion
  • A vehicle cannot have continuous history without continuity of title. If there is any doubt about continuous history the onus is on the owner or other interested party to demonstrate title continuity
  • Any car built from parts originating from an AC, rather than a damaged complete car, is a Replica. If there is any doubt whether a vehicle has continuous history or is a Replica, the Club will class it as a Replica until the owner or other interested party demonstrates beyond reasonable doubt that it has continuous history.
The Thames Ditton Cobra Register’s replicas appendices list some 85 cars that the ACOC does not recognised as AC Cobras. Nearly all have CSX/COB/COX car number stampings in the correct places, but the reasons these are not recognised as period Cobras are clearly set out for each car.

VIN and Title are two different things. VIN may well not be unique (see the Club’s registers at www.acownersclub.co.uk) and does not imply ownership (see www.gov.uk). Title concerns the ownership of an asset.

Any barn-find AC will be recognised as an AC provided it has been kept together as a vehicle since original completion; if, however, the find is parts discarded when the vehicle was rebuilt, the vehicle title and continuous history remain with the working vehicle. Anyone buying, for example, discarded components gets title to those components, but does not get title to the vehicle from which they were discarded.

Please ping me an email if you need any further info.

Robin

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Recent ACs / Re: Two new models
« on: July 15, 2020, 16:13:59 »
As AC's publicity material doesn't name an authorised motor vehicle manufacturer, it could be that DVSA Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) will be required before road registration. falconelectric.co.uk refers to this in its Milestone 4. Interested parties should check before confirming an order.

RS
(ACOC V765 scheme officer)

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Re: CSX2534 for sale
« on: April 29, 2020, 18:35:49 »
Aaron,

What's the value of a 427ised leaf spring 'USRRC' non-USRRC Cobra? Most would say less than the value of an unmodified leaf spring Cobra, but there's no accounting for individual tastes and perceived values.

RS

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Re: CSX2534 for sale
« on: April 01, 2020, 16:11:05 »
'On offer is a huge part of racing history! An original 1964 AC Cobra, 289 USRRC race car. This has been owned by my client for nearly « 40 » years. Authentic and ready! Raced at all of the amazing USA tracks as you would expect!...........'

This was sold as a road car in 1980 with 'chrome wires, front end damage, new body panels included' and then 427ised for vintage racing. As the USRRC only ran from 1963 to 1968, its exclamatory description would appear to miss the mark.

RS


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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Re: 39PH For Sale
« on: March 17, 2020, 13:29:53 »
The ACOC Cobra Register (on the internet) has three:

LEAF SPRING CHASSIS - SHELBY:
    The CS2131 roadster, rebuilt with a new AC-provided LHD unnumbered chassis and substructure (converted by Willment to RHD) following its 30th May 1964 Nurburgring accident.
APPENDIX 1 - PERIOD COBRAS MADE BY OTHER CONSTRUCTORS:
    Willment constructed a roadster using the chassis discarded during the CS2131 rebuild. The Willment-constructed roadster was originally given the VIN ITC1 (It's The Chassis-1), but many years later was re-VINned CS2131A.
    Willment also purchased a bare unnumbered chassis from AC to build a Daytona-like coupe. Per the register "Willment treated the CS 2131 roadster and the coupe as a single vehicle for paperwork and promotion purposes, as illustrated by the use of the same chassis and registration number and later sale advertisements, where the race results of both cars are combined". Willment's "paperwork and promotion purposes" VIN for both roadster and coupe was CSX2131.

Three chassis, three VINs (CS2131, CS2131A and CSX2131) and three cars, one made by AC and two by another constructor. See the Register for further info.

RS

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Recent ACs / Re: Re-imagined British Motoring Icon
« on: February 26, 2020, 09:33:34 »
Rob,

The quotes are solely from AC press releases.

The purpose is to set out historical facts as a help to inquisitive readers who wish to draw their own conclusions.

Robin


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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Re: CSX 2484
« on: December 27, 2019, 15:52:07 »
2484 was destroyed in 1966. Two replicas were subsequently constructed, one in 2003 and the other in 2015.

If you email me a photo of the stamping in question (rstainer@radcothouse.co.uk) I'll comment on the font.

Thanks

Robin Stainer - ACOC Thames Ditton Cobra Registrar

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Re: csx2450
« on: December 18, 2019, 18:54:36 »
February’s ACtion has a 2450 (or two 2450s) article based on knowledge to date. Any contribution of hitherto unknown fact would be much appreciated.

Robin Stainer
rstainer@radcothouse.co.uk

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Recent ACs / Re-imagined British Motoring Icon
« on: December 09, 2019, 14:41:37 »
AC's 21st century progress:

November 2019
   'In 2020 AC Cars will launch a British motoring icon re-imagined for the electric age.'
December 2016
   'The AC Cobra 378 will be produced in 2017 as a reborn version of the classic sports car with a V8 engine and a traditional ladder chassis.'
September 2016
   'AC Cars will build nine new aluminium-bodied AC Cobras as part of a ‘legacy’ series.'
March 2012
   'AC returns to Geneva with four car line-up including a new supercar.'
February 2011
   'AC has announced it's returning to the UK market and will exhibit the Mk VI version of its venerable roadster at the 2011 Geneva motor show.'
April 2008
   'Acedes Holdings, LLC (“AC Cars”) has today announced that it will be manufacturing certain derivatives of its heritage product in the USA.'
March 2006
   'An agreement between Texas-based Unique Performance and AC Cars Ltd. will officially return genuine sports cars from the historic British marque to North America.'
November 2005
   'AC Cars, Britain's oldest sports car company, will build its first U.S. manufacturing plant in Bridgeport as part of a strategy to increase its American sales.'

Announcements are expected to continue apace.

RS



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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / csx2450
« on: November 24, 2019, 17:40:34 »
CSX2450 was destroyed in December 1966 in a workshop fire in Fairfield, Iowa, together with many other vehicles. Fifty plus years later a Cobra that is claimed to be 2450 has appeared in France. Any information on this car, which would appear to have originated in France, would be much appreciated.

Robin Stainer
ACOC Cobra Registrar
rstainer@radcothouse.co.uk
44-1367 810231

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AC never made a 5998 vehicle and the SAAC register (www.cobraregistry.org) has no record of a 5998 vehicle: it doesn't list any vehicle number between 3360 and 6001.

The ACOC Register Replicas Appendix (www.acownersclub.co.uk/members-area/models/cobra_thamesditton) records Replica VIN Asserted COB5998 as "Built by Kimmins Custom Fabrication, Cal, reportedly incorporating some original parts. LHD. FIA-style body.(Not an AC VIN)", completed in "1995". Fantasy Junction was advised of these public-record matters a year ago.

RS

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Re: Tour Auto 2019
« on: June 03, 2019, 18:49:21 »
The Cobra registered 27 PE is reported to be CSX2232 imported from Colombia in the 70s and previously registered AFM 42A and RSW 11. The Thames Ditton Cobra Register lists 2232 as "believed to have been destroyed in the 60s.[Replica in the UK]" and its Replicas Appendix has "VIN Asserted CSX2232    Date Mid 80s Built for Roger Wright, reportedly using some parted out remains of the 6059 replica. Chassis and body thought to have been made by Brian Angliss. May originally have been numbered 6059. RHD."

It is suggested that this in-the-public-domain-for-many-years information is not be correct. Further information is expected in due course and I will advise if the Register wording is changed..

RS

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Tour Auto 2019
« on: May 05, 2019, 12:35:45 »
Does anyone know the chassis number (VIN) of the light blue James Cottingham/Andrew Smith Cobra (car# 203)?

RS

PS: Internet videos & photos show 2349 quitting the Tour in an unusual way.

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Recent ACs / Re: New Continuation Cobras
« on: March 29, 2019, 11:58:39 »
Rob,

As you rightly observe, 10 to 17 provide a wealth of ‘clear identification of the particular vehicle'  information that is of much use to registrars.

There is no alternative register suggestion whatsoever and I apologise if I wasn’t clear – my suggestion was that you might like to become ACOC registrar for more recently constructed ACs.

RS

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Recent ACs / Re: New Continuation Cobras
« on: March 28, 2019, 11:39:16 »
Rob,

Our registrar’s efforts are not in vain.

Until, I believe, the 70s the AC Car Number and UK VIN were the same. For example, the Vehicle Registration Document for my 62 Cobra has VIN: CSX2042. When the UK vehicle registration authorities and motor manufacturers adopted ISO 3779 VINs, most EU manufacturers took the whole 17 digits to be the car number but a small number, producing low-volume retro vehicles, kept the same retro-format car number but incorporated their car number (or enough of it to identify the vehicle) in digits 10 to 17 to provide clear identification of the particular vehicle.

All our registrars have the AC Car Number from the Factory Ledger or other authoritative sources and potential purchasers, the main register users, can easily check that the VIN incorporates the manufacturer’s car number.

If you are able produce an ACOC-policy-compliant register for ACs other than those currently listed the Club will gladly appoint you registrar for those vehicles. As regards Club policy, member recommendations for clearly-thought-through change are always welcome.

RS   

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