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Recent ACs / Information Sought
« on: August 09, 2021, 15:44:22 »
Leaf-spring Cobra VIN CSX2069 has recently appeared on the tracks, last as car 98 at the Silverstone Classic RAC Historic Tourist Trophy.
Both ACOC and SAAC registers record 2069 as believed destroyed in the 60s. Any information regarding the current car's origin would be much appreciated, either on this forum or in confidence to or 01367 810231.



Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / Re: 1957 AC Bristol for sale
« on: June 01, 2021, 21:12:46 »
The forum’s purpose is to support the preservation and enjoyment of ACs. It is not, in my understanding, to provide a free-of-charge business platform for sales agents and other businesses.

Such agents and other businesses are always welcome to place paid-for advertising in ACtion.


Recent ACs / And Another New Model
« on: January 07, 2021, 17:23:26 »
AC Cars has created Autokraft by AC electric scooters, a new generation of road-worthy, emissions-free urban vehicles.

Scooter aficionados can get further info at


The following website, referenced on the SAAC Forum, has some very interesting comparisons:


Recent ACs / Re: Another new model - Electric Le Mans Coupe Cobra
« on: November 07, 2020, 19:58:32 »
Had AC personnel or their advisers looked at the Factory Ledger they would have seen that it only has car number, now known as VIN. Nowhere does it have ‘chassis number’, a term not defined nationally let alone internationally.

It could be either that AC refers to characters 10 to 17 of an ISO 3779/3780 compliant VIN without realising that it can’t have an ‘O’ in it, or that it refers to an identifier that can’t be used for road-registration purposes.

Potential purchasers are advised to check this point.


Recent ACs / Re: Another new model - Electric Le Mans Coupe Cobra
« on: November 03, 2020, 12:03:46 »
Car Number
“... the AC Bible” is clearly not the Thames Ditton Factory Ledger.

Limited Edition
The “edition” of all recent ACs is limited by customer demand. The AC “edition” has yet, per the public record, to underestimate customer demand.


Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Re: 2.6 Ace or Early Cobra?
« on: October 19, 2020, 16:42:27 »
I'd bet with Nik and place the money on 6025, a SW7-based central London car. 6018 & 6038 are possibles, with 6048 and 6008 being very long odds outsiders.

The car's front wing mirrors would appear to be more decorative than functional.


General Forum / Re: Value of found AC Bristol
« on: October 12, 2020, 12:48:53 »

“... must be verified as destroyed...”     UNTRUE FOR MOST JURISDICTIONS

The purpose of a register is to record the known facts of a vehicle in accordance with documented publicly-available register policy and practice. A registrar cannot make judgements on an act’s lawfulness in its jurisdiction (California? Federal law?), but can report published Court findings.

Forum activity is to be applauded but postings must be relevant to the string, in this case the Value of a found AC Bristol BEX 310. If you have any other BEX 310 or register questions kindly start another string.


General Forum / Re: Value of found AC Bristol
« on: October 11, 2020, 10:13:13 »

If a car has been in the same ownership for many years and was bought on a bill of sale, there's 'no reasonable doubt as to continuous history'.

'Title', in its general international use, refers to the legal basis for the ownership of any personal property, such as houses, furniture, pictures, land, vehicles, agricultural machinery etc. Road registration in many countries is not demonstration of ownership; in the UK, for example, the V5C makes this very point: it records the car's 'keeper', not owner, and is not demonstration of title. Tens of thousands of leased cars are owned by their lessors, but their named V5C keepers are their lessees, not owners.

As you know, the SAAC and the ACOC are as one on all our definitions.

All the best


General Forum / Re: Value of found AC Bristol
« on: October 10, 2020, 14:36:40 »

The questions I answered are:
  • Am I missing something here? Yes.
  • What am I missing here? ACOC register principles previously set out in ACtion.
Any questions regarding individual ACs should be directed to the relevant registrar.

Questions regarding registrar principles, which accord with leading international practice, should be directed to Council.


General Forum / Re: Value of found AC Bristol
« on: October 09, 2020, 18:44:06 »

Am I missing something here? Yes. What am I missing here? ACOC register principles previously set out in ACtion.

The Club’s Continuous History, Continuity of Title and Replica principles are:
  • Only ACs where there is no reasonable doubt as to continuous history are recorded as existing now
  • A car has continuous history if it has been kept together as a vehicle since original completion
  • A vehicle cannot have continuous history without continuity of title. If there is any doubt about continuous history the onus is on the owner or other interested party to demonstrate title continuity
  • Any car built from parts originating from an AC, rather than a damaged complete car, is a Replica. If there is any doubt whether a vehicle has continuous history or is a Replica, the Club will class it as a Replica until the owner or other interested party demonstrates beyond reasonable doubt that it has continuous history.
The Thames Ditton Cobra Register’s replicas appendices list some 85 cars that the ACOC does not recognised as AC Cobras. Nearly all have CSX/COB/COX car number stampings in the correct places, but the reasons these are not recognised as period Cobras are clearly set out for each car.

VIN and Title are two different things. VIN may well not be unique (see the Club’s registers at and does not imply ownership (see Title concerns the ownership of an asset.

Any barn-find AC will be recognised as an AC provided it has been kept together as a vehicle since original completion; if, however, the find is parts discarded when the vehicle was rebuilt, the vehicle title and continuous history remain with the working vehicle. Anyone buying, for example, discarded components gets title to those components, but does not get title to the vehicle from which they were discarded.

Please ping me an email if you need any further info.


Recent ACs / Re: Two new models
« on: July 15, 2020, 16:13:59 »
As AC's publicity material doesn't name an authorised motor vehicle manufacturer, it could be that DVSA Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) will be required before road registration. refers to this in its Milestone 4. Interested parties should check before confirming an order.

(ACOC V765 scheme officer)

Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Re: CSX2534 for sale
« on: April 29, 2020, 18:35:49 »

What's the value of a 427ised leaf spring 'USRRC' non-USRRC Cobra? Most would say less than the value of an unmodified leaf spring Cobra, but there's no accounting for individual tastes and perceived values.


Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Re: CSX2534 for sale
« on: April 01, 2020, 16:11:05 »
'On offer is a huge part of racing history! An original 1964 AC Cobra, 289 USRRC race car. This has been owned by my client for nearly « 40 » years. Authentic and ready! Raced at all of the amazing USA tracks as you would expect!...........'

This was sold as a road car in 1980 with 'chrome wires, front end damage, new body panels included' and then 427ised for vintage racing. As the USRRC only ran from 1963 to 1968, its exclamatory description would appear to miss the mark.


Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Re: 39PH For Sale
« on: March 17, 2020, 13:29:53 »
The ACOC Cobra Register (on the internet) has three:

    The CS2131 roadster, rebuilt with a new AC-provided LHD unnumbered chassis and substructure (converted by Willment to RHD) following its 30th May 1964 Nurburgring accident.
    Willment constructed a roadster using the chassis discarded during the CS2131 rebuild. The Willment-constructed roadster was originally given the VIN ITC1 (It's The Chassis-1), but many years later was re-VINned CS2131A.
    Willment also purchased a bare unnumbered chassis from AC to build a Daytona-like coupe. Per the register "Willment treated the CS 2131 roadster and the coupe as a single vehicle for paperwork and promotion purposes, as illustrated by the use of the same chassis and registration number and later sale advertisements, where the race results of both cars are combined". Willment's "paperwork and promotion purposes" VIN for both roadster and coupe was CSX2131.

Three chassis, three VINs (CS2131, CS2131A and CSX2131) and three cars, one made by AC and two by another constructor. See the Register for further info.


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