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AC Owners Club Forum => Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum => Topic started by: A-Snake on January 25, 2009, 23:38:31
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AC Cobras used a chrome bracket that held a rubber bumper to keep the top of the side curtains positioned correctly. They were mounted to the windshield frame with a single screw.
Were these used on other AC's? If so, does anyone know who can provide them? If they were used by other AC's and there isn't a source, would anyone be interested in a pair if they were to be produced again?
(http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Bracket_CSX2282.jpg)
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I don't believe Aces used these (at least the ones I've seen), they just have the posts on the side screens that fit directly into the chrome sockets on the doors.
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Thank you, perhaps this was unique to the curved windscreen on Cobras. Would appreciate any other comments.
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The curved screen windshield on AEX125 had one of the metal brackets still in place when I bought it, but no rubber piece. I believe the windshield frame was originally from a Cobra so it may be a Cobra unique item. I removed my bracket and it is in a box somewhere since I could not figure out what it for, but from what I remember it looked like it would be very easy to make new ones. The chroming would probably be the most expensive part of making some up.
Jay
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Jay,
Thanks for the reply. You are correct the chrome is the most expensive part. If it was also used on AC's I would poll owners to share in a batch production.
Would you look at the bracket you have and let me know if the 'leg' with the screw hole has been filed to fit against the windshild frame?
Thanks
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Jim,
I dug it out tonight and yes there are file marks on the backside of the small hole leg which looks like it is the screw leg. The marks are at a 45 degree angle and cover roughly 60% of the surface. FWIW, there are additional lines on that surface which are parallel to the edges (2 each direction) that look like machinist fiducials of some type. There are also some file marks on the other leg on the side the small piece of rubber is on. Probably more info than you wanted to know, but since I was staring at it I decided to really look at it.
Jay
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I was looking through Mill’s Original Ace and Cobra last night and made an interesting discovery. In all of the pictures of curved windshield Aces except one, this bracket is present. From the various pictures, it looks like the Cobras and the 2.6s have it in the same location, but for the earlier Aces, it is located slightly lower on the frame. There did not appear to be a bracket present on any of the flat windshield cars. Maybe this bracket is supposed to be there on curved windshield Aces as well as Cobras.
Jay
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The change in location of the bracket might be because of the change in side curtain design from the early pivot type to the sliding type.
The pivot type show the lower position for the bumper.
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I looked at my flat-screen Ace today (AEX127), and am wondering if the brackets as shown in my awful picture (from my phone), are indeed meant for these rubber bumpers to hold the side screens in place. Has anyone checked to see if Ron Leonard has these? If not, and that's the intended use of these brackets, I would be interested in getting some (even though I never put the hood up or side sreens on, but always nice to have it correct).
(http://www.classic-motors-online.com/images/AceBracket2.jpg)
Peter B.
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Peter,
What is the hole size in your bracket?
Dan
rollright64@aol.com
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I'll measure the diameter and post the results. Car is at a friends for the winter (My garage currently full).
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Someone just sent this link to me. Check out the rubber bumper brackets on a flat windscreen.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-AC-COBRA-V-8-Mongoose-ORIGINAL-ARTICLE-FROM-1963_W0QQitemZ350161504967QQihZ022QQcategoryZ10076QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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We've now determined that AC's and Cobras used the same rubber bumpers & brackets as anti-rattles for side curtains.
Have you wondered what that hole was for in the front door jam? You know, the one that's visible when you have the door open. That hole held the same type rubber bumper as used for the side curtains. These are now available from:
Precision Auto Restoration and Vintage Seats
4 Mulliken Way
Newburyport, MA 01950
Tel: 978/463-8144
E-mail: cars1@verizon.net
These are not some 'will work' part, they are as they say "dead nuts on"!
(http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-004F4.JPG)
In the near future, chrome "L" brackets will be produced.
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Hard to say for sure, but those definitely look like the brackets and position on AEX127, so looks like it should have the rubber bumpers also. I also have some original literature, and the brackets/bumpers are NOT shown on the car(s) featured, so maybe they were introduced somehere along the line, but definitely by AEX127.
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Is there a part numer to reference for the bumpers from P.A.R?
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Originally posted by pjbowman
Is there a part numer to reference for the bumpers from P.A.R?
I just added a picture of the rubber bumper in my previous post.
There isn't part number. Just ask for the Cobra door and side curtain
rubber bumpers.
I hope I was clear on the other use of this same rubber bumper. It is inserted into the hole in the front cowl door jam.
Here is a picture of the bumper in place. Notice it will crush over time. You may notice the imprint of a screw head in the rubber.
That comes from the screw that's located in the door frame tube.
I understand now that Aces may have used some type of brass piece instead of rubber in the cowl.
(http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/medium/MVC-001F5.JPG?828)
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Jim
Here is a picture of what was used on the Aces. In my limited experience, they are difficult to get aligned properly so the door fits correctly.
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/289ace/rattleinhibitors002rs.jpg)
In the picture the one on the right came out of AEX125, and the one on the left is a new one I tried to make fit. I was not very successful since I did not take a hammer to the new one and think I probably would have needed to. I think I'll try the Cobra approach, but am not sure if the rubber will stay in place in the Ace cowl hole. The brass stud is approx 1/4" and so the hole is slightly larger. Do you think the small end of the rubber bumper fit a 1/4" hole and stay in place?
Jay
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The hole in the "L" bracket for the side curtain rubber bumper is 1/4" diameter. The rubber bumper should then work in the hole you describe in the Ace. The small end of the rubber bumper will squish down when you pull/push it in place using some lube or soapy water. You should then fill the receiving hole in the door tube with perhaps a flat head screw for the bumper to press against.
After seeing the brass studs I understand why AC changed to the rubber bumpers on Cobras.
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Yep, AEX127 has 1/4" hole in the L bracket for these - I'll soon be ordering some!
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These pics show the location of the brass pins in the cowl/door area and are posted on behalf of Keith Lessiter.
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/289ace/BEX333hoodupInt-12.jpg)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/289ace/BEX449BEatriXGerardBlain-12.jpg)
Jay
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Here's one of the door frames on my old car. Until the information provided in this thread appeared I had wondered for a long time why the makers went to the trouble to make passage perpendiuclar to the frame and then fill it with a screw. The holes are hold-overs from earlier models. That makes sense, one design frame then could then be used as a service part for multiple models.
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r187/rr64/door-side1.jpg)
Dan
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Originally posted by aex125
These pics show the location of the brass pins in the cowl/door area and are posted on behalf of Keith Lessiter.
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/289ace/BEX333hoodupInt-12.jpg)
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/289ace/BEX449BEatriXGerardBlain-12.jpg)
Jay
Jay
Many thanks for posting the two pictures on my behalf, much appreciated. The colour one is of BEX333,
The fabulous Black and White period photo was sent to me by Antoin Prunet & Jean Marc Dubost, it depicts BEatriX in BEX449 with Gerard Blain, only other clue ... " et Anne Colette dans "?
Great set of Pins, suggest we refer to the Brass pins from P A R as BEatriX pins, Therefor no Part number required and So Entent Cordial !
Keith
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Did you ever sort out your query about the rubber bumpers that position the sidescreens? They are shown clearly on pages 43 and 48 of Rinsey Mills' Original Ace & Cobra and are, to the best of my knowledge pretty standard on all Aces and Cobras, whether flat or curved screen. Certainly my Ace 2.6 had them on its original flat screen, and the curved screen that I swapped that for had them also. Or should I say it had the brackets: the rubbers were missing, with the result that the sidescreens clatter horribly on bumpy roads. I have not found a source of these rubbers, so if anyone is interested in getting a batch made, please let me know.
The part of the rubber that does the work is shaped like the frustrum of a cone, while there is a long conical piece that you push through the hole in the bracket to locate it.
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A-Snake gave contact information for a supplier of the rubber bumpers in one of his posts above. I did the research, reverse engineering, commissioned the making of a mold, and the commission of a production run years ago. Several owners and a few shops joined in the get the quantity up enough that per part cost was not unbearable. At the time I wanted four new ones. After a long and frustrating search I just took care of recreating them myself.
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Cobra use update. Since the original study years ago a couple of very low mile early Cobras (CSX2034 is one.) came into public inspection after decades of storage and they had brass guide pins.