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Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on March 10, 2008, 21:39:55
Updated 6/11/08
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/
   __________________________________
   
   29/7/08
   A little rough and ready as starting to finish things off now so hopefully no mistakes, but some pictures of all "known" AC 428s now available to view over on the Register.
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=115841&p=1
   
   Paul [:)]
   
   ______________________________________
   
   14/7/08
   Unfortunately as "The Gentleman's Express Club" AC 428 Register has always been a temporary one and my good lady's patience is now being strained to record highs, regrettably I won't be able to spare the time to continue updating and maintaining it all for very much longer. So if anyone would like to refer to any of the pics. or period articles currently archived in Photobucket well beforehand, say for cross-reference purposes with the Register, please drop me an e-mail for a confidential password to view. For ID and copyright reasons only could you also include your usual Forum name and Forum registered address as well.
   
   http://s130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/?special_track=nav_tab_my_albums
   
   New e-mail address cancelling old is 428classicus at googlemail Dot com........
   
   Thanks and enjoy - 270 entries so far ! [8D]
   
   Paul
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/index.spark?forumID=115841&p=1
   
   ________________________________
   
   1. CFX 29. Active USA
   Posted 26/2/08
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=845
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CFX29a.jpg)
   
   "It certainly appears that my car has escaped alteration by corrosion, accidents or intentional modification. It differs in some respects to yours, Emmanuel, as we discovered in side-by-side comparison. Your car has improved routing of the fresh air ducts, which I would like to adopt.
   CFX29 seems to have been shipped to Canada (?) originally, and then entered the U.S.A. as a 1970 Ford. It benefited from life in a dry climate, and shows virtually no rust. So it is a good example of the state of build at the time it left the factory in August 1969 (I believe that's the date Andy Shepherd found in his archive).
   If photos of my car would be of help to others, I'd be glad to share them."
   
   2. CF 46 Fastback. RHD. Reg. WNJ 179H
   Photos taken in Belgium (Knokke ?) - 24th Feb 2008
   http://www.klassiekergespot.nl/viewcars.php?city=Knokke&view=city
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-8.jpg) (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1CF4.jpg) (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-2.jpg) (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-9.jpg) (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-10.jpg)
   
   With grateful acknowledgements.
   
   
   
   3. CF 67 Fastback. KJB 318 L
   Active UK.
   http://www.raceorganisation.com/scc/2003/silverstone/default.asp
   
   ROL SPORTSCAR CHALLENGE
   Silverstone, 22 March 2003
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1CF6.jpg)
   
   "The opening round of the new ROL Sportscar Challenge was won comfortably by pole-sitter Richard Chamberlain in his mighty Porsche 935R.  Andy Shepherd, in his carbon-black AC 428 Frua, gave chase and endured a rather more interesting time than was apparent from outside.  Having broken the gearshift, searing heat from the exhaust system then began to burn the carbon fibre sills and fill the car with smoke!"
   
   
   
   4. CF 77 Convertible
   Photo taken in Belgium (Knokke ?) 12th June 2006
   
   http://www.klassiekergespot.nl/viewcars.php?city=Knokke&view=city
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1CF7.jpg) (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-11.jpg) (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-13.jpg) (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-12.jpg)
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-14.jpg)
   
   With grateful acknowledgements
   
   
   
   5. Query 7.  CF ? Fastback. Swiss style plates
   
   http://www.automobilrevue.ch/_apps_gallery/index.asp?ArtikelID=15216&IMGID=36250
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-19.jpg)   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-20.jpg)   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-21.jpg)   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-22.jpg)
   
   
   
   6. Query 12.  CF ?  & CF ? Both unknown
   On Hurst Park's website
   http://www.hurstpark.co.uk/acd.htm
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-15.jpg)    (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-16.jpg)
   
   
   
   7. Query 13. CF ? Silver fastback and green convertible in background.
   Any ideas where this might be or whose car it is ?
   
   http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/vehicle/picture.ehtml?i=52;p=88908544
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-17.jpg)
   
   
   
   8. Query 14.  CF ? Unknown.
   http://ccars.narod.ru/history/60xx.htm
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-18.jpg)
   
   
   
   9. Anyone speak Russian !
   http://www.konigmotor.ru/ru/Main/BaseModification/4TCX6SI.html?cartype=
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/InterimForumUpdateRecentfindsNo1-24.jpg)
   
   ################################################
   
   Updated 12/5/08:
   Bit rough and ready on here but will be added to the other list eventually....
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/index.spark?forumID=115841&p=1
   
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   1. CF 19 Active USA
   Interesting article about Dean Versaw
   
   http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special43/articles/0525cars-dreamcar0527-ON.html
   
   2. CF 23 Cobra Conversion
   Message posted 6/5/08
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=217&whichpage=4
   
   Silverstone 2006
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF68CobraConversion.jpg)
   
   
   3. CFX 28
   http://www.heritageclassics.com/ac/69ac428/69ac428trk.jpg
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CFX28c.jpg)     (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CFX28d.jpg)
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CFX28e.jpg)
   
   4. CFX 30 Fastback. LHD.
      Status: Active. UK
   
      Message Posted - 16/4/2008
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=906
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CFX30.jpg)
   
   5. CF 35 Cobra conversion
   Message posted 6/5/08
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=217&whichpage=4
   
   6. CF 39 Cobra conversion
   Message posted 6/5/08
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=217&whichpage=4
   
   7. CF 47 Cobra conversion
   Message posted 6/5/08
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=217&whichpage=4
   
   8. CF 54
   Status: Active USA
   Message posted : 12/5/08
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=321&whichpage=1
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF54b.jpg)
   
   9.  CF 57. PNB 909 J
   Status: Active Switzerland
   
   10. CF 59. Active UK. Reg. No: JYY 779J
   Engine No:1889K11KR. Mileage:57250. Black trim.
   Unsold H & H Auctions (16/4/08 ?)
   http://www.classic-auctions.co.uk/
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF59.jpg)
   
   11. CF 76  Convertible JUV 19K
   Status: Unknown
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF76.jpg)
   
   12. CF ? UK  Reg. 4 ALD
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=217&whichpage=4
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF-unknownReg4ALD.jpg)
   
   #############################################
   
   Updated 3/7/08
   To be added to the other list eventually....
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/index.spark?forumID=115841&p=1
   
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   1. MA 200
   Posted 21/5/08
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=590
   
   "She's coming along...thanks to Jason and the boys at Creative Workshop."
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/MA200Prototype3.jpg)
   
   2. CF38. Reg. no. 9848 AC. Mileage: 47361
   H & H Auctions - 28/5/08
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=943
   http://www.classic-auctions.co.uk/lotdetail.php?&lotid=25279&aucid=2721
   
   "The survival rate is good - even though Keith Moon owned one. A few have 'fallen by the wayside' as ACOC 428 registrar Andy Shepherd puts it - and a small number of 428s are known to have been converted into Cobra replicas, leaving an estimated 25 right-hand drive survivors.
   CF 38 has a vast history file - and four years ago underwent an extensive restoration programme by a body and chassis specialist well known for its work on ACs and other coachbuilt cars. This included a "bare-metal refurbishment of the bodywork, repaint to the highest standard, with all brightwork rechromed", though the interior said is said to be "original and in exceptionally good condition". Mechanically, it underwent a "thorough overhaul". The owner now describes the 428 as "excellent" in chassis, engine, transmission and wheels and tyres and "faultless" in respect of its body and paintwork. Since the restoration, it has covered only approximately 1500 miles.
   AC is the featured marque on the Drivers' Club Walkway at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this year, and this car has an invitation to this prestigious historic event. What better way to seal ownership of this splendid and appreciating Anglo-American GT than to enjoy it at one of the world's top motoring events."
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF38a.jpg)  (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF38b.jpg)
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF38c.jpg)
   
   3. CF59. Reg. No:JYY 779 J. Engine No:1889K11KR
   H & H Auctions. Mileage:57250. M.O.T:DEC 2008
   
   28/5/08
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=943
   http://www.classic-auctions.co.uk/lotdetail.php?&lotid=24836&aucid=7298
   
   Finished in Flash Red with black leather upholstery, this particular example is described by the vendor as being in "very good" condition with regard to its engine, automatic transmission, electrical equipment, chassis, bodywork, paintwork and wheels / tyres (though, he rates the interior trim as "average"). Said to have had just "two previous owners" and to have only covered 57,000 miles from new, 'JYY 779J' was reportedly treated to "rebuilt sills in late 2007" and a respray earlier this year. While, other recent work is understood to have seen it benefit from a "new radiator, replacement cylinder head gaskets, new master cylinders and overhauled calipers". Riding on wire wheels, this ultra-rare and stylish GT is offered for sale with MOT certificate valid until December 2008.
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF59a.jpg)  (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF59b.jpg)
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF59c.jpg) (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF59d.jpg)
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF59e.jpg)
   
   4. CF 75
   Posted 26/5/08
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=942
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF75interior.jpg)
   
   
   5.  CF78. Reg No. MYW 927 L
       Engine no. 1127R8KR
   
   11 Jul 2008. Goodwood Festival of Speed, Chichester, Sussex
   
   http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=4
   
   The concept of Italian styling coupled with American V8 horsepower was well established by the late 1960s, and no doubt influenced AC Cars’ decision to reconfigure its fire-breathing Cobra sportscar as a luxury Grand Routier. A Cobra MkIII coil-suspended chassis was extended by 6” in the wheelbase and despatched to Italy to be clothed in elegant steel coachwork by Pietro Frua, the result looking not unlike the latter’s Maserati Mistral. The first car, a two-seater convertible, was completed in time for the 1965 Earls Court Motor Show, while the following year’s Geneva Salon saw the launch of an even more sensational fastback-styled coupe. Although the 428cu in (7-litre) Ford Galaxie engine that gave the model its name produced less power than the Cobra 427’s, the 345bhp on tap was capable of delivering all the performance that customers desired. Shrugging off the car’s 1,416kgs weight and seemingly unhampered by the automatic transmission, as fitted to the majority of cars, this stupendous engine enabled road testers to record sub-six-second 0-60mph times and 0-100mph times of around 14.5 seconds, with a maximum speed in excess of 140mph. Hampered by an inflated price - the 428 cost considerably more than the contemporary Aston Martin DB6 - production never attained Cobra levels, a mere 80 being made between 1966 and 1973, the split being 51 convertibles and 29 coupés.
   Surely among the most elegant of Anglo-American classics, this exceptionally original and unrestored AC 428 Convertible has enjoyed only two owners from new, the current since 1987, and displays a total of 11,604 miles on the odometer. The vendor advises us that a replacement speedometer was fitted at 12,000 miles, making the total from new a mere 23,604. Modifications listed consist of larger, cowled-in radiator; additional front air duct; two-stage Kenlowe cooling fans with indicator lights; brake servos relocated to rear of front wings; stainless-steel exhaust system; and Halibrand peg-drive alloy wheels on original splined hubs, giving a slight track increase front and rear. The car retains its original engine, which is reported to use no oil and displays good oil pressure. Finished in silver with original black leather interior, ‘MYW 927L’ is offered with sundry maintenance/service invoices, current MoT and Swansea V5.
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF78.jpg)  (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF78a.jpg)
   
   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF78b.jpg)  (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF78c.jpg)
   
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Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: administrator on March 11, 2008, 08:31:36
No 2 is Andy Shepherd's fearsome black racer, currently 'resting'.
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on March 11, 2008, 08:59:12
Also noticed in pic. 3 a dark green convertible behind the silver fastback as well. Pity about the wording above the nearest tent being so illegible....
   
   http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/vehicle/picture.ehtml?i=52;p=88908544
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Rheinubung on March 12, 2008, 01:47:57
Photo #4 sure looks like a Montverdi vs. the one-off AC 429...
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: cmaddox3 on March 13, 2008, 22:24:49
quote:
Originally posted by Classicus
   
Updated 10/3/08:
   
   8. CFX 29. Active USA
   Posted 26/2/08
   http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=845
   
   "It certainly appears that my car has escaped alteration by corrosion, accidents or intentional modification. It differs in some respects to yours, Emmanuel, as we discovered in side-by-side comparison. Your car has improved routing of the fresh air ducts, which I would like to adopt.
   
   CFX29 seems to have been shipped to Canada (?) originally, and then entered the U.S.A. as a 1970 Ford. It benefited from life in a dry climate, and shows virtually no rust. So it is a good example of the state of build at the time it left the factory in August 1969 (I believe that's the date Andy Shepherd found in his archive).
   
   If photos of my car would be of help to others, I'd be glad to share them."

   
   OK, if CFX29 was shipped to Canada originally, then the two plate numbers shipped to Canada were CFX 27 and CFX 29.  The two plate numbers shipped to the USA [back in the day] would have been CFX 28 and CFX 30.
   
   I saw one of the Canadian Frua's in the spring of 1977 in Oakville Toronto.  The owner had listed it for sale and we were going to try to import it.  Unfortunately, when we inquired with the DOT/EPA they stated that the car would have to pass safety/emissions standards of the year of manufacture, in this instance 1969.  In 1967 there were no EPA statutes and the more stringent DOT standards came in 1968.  Both the EPA/DOT assured us in no uncertain terms that the car would not pass the battery of tests they would throw at it [they were/are such buttholes!] and we were scared off from even attempting to import essentially an identical car to CF7 [save for left-hand drive] simply because the nigh identical parts were assembled anywhere from 13 to 25 months after CF7.  If we had simply driven up to Canada, bought the car and driven it across the border we probably would have been fine, but since we had contacted the DOT/EPA to inquire we figured we had tipped them off.
   
   Incidentally, the owner in Oakville also owned an Accea that was in fairly rough [but restorable] shape too.
   
   As best I can remember [it's been 30+ years] the Oakville Coupe was either pale green or grayish in color, it was in worse cosmetic shape than CF7, but as it had a Holley it would have been more than a match for CF7 [with it's autolite carb] in performance.
   
   I would suspect the Frua Coupe I saw was CFX27 and not CFX 29 because of the timing quoted above.  I would love to see pictures of it, perhaps it was the car we travelled to see and  attempt to purchase/import.  I know my dad would have loved to have imported that one and I'd love to have a left hand drive example.
   
   Please Post Photos!  If I can be of any assistance, please email me: mailto:cmaddox3@sbcglobal.net ...
   
   I also have to say I'm really liking these Burnt Orange, Red and Burgundy colored coupes!  If I had one to paint in any choice of colors it'd probably be a toss up between Red with a black interior or Burgundy with a Khaki/Camel Brown interior.  Absolutely drop dead gorgeous!
   
   --  Chuck
   
   P.S. THANK YOU CASS for your continuing efforts in this regard!
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: J Jones on March 14, 2008, 05:35:32
I posted the info about CFX29. I have no evidence that would lead me to believe the car was originally shipped to Canada - just a suggestion I saw on another thread that Canada was the port of entry for importation of Frua AC's into North America.
   When I have time, I'll take photos and post them (how, I do not, as yet, know).
   My car is now red, but there is evidence it was a sort of light metallic blueish color before it was repainted. I have no idea when it was repainted, though there was (and is still) an AC Owners Club decal on the windshield, covering a small stone chip in the glass.
   The car came to me with no documentation. I saw it on a transporter, and bought it before the wheels hit the ground. Subsequent investigation shows no evidence of any damage (except for a front bumper brace that is unattached on one side - a possible repair), and no sign of rust.
   I replaced the radiator, hoping that would help the heat problem, and trashed the original in a fit of cleaning out my garage. Too bad - I should have kept it. Ahhh well.
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on March 19, 2008, 10:45:59
As things are starting to fall behind with Updates a bit, put together a temporary AC 428 reference register for updating purposes only until the official Club one's ready. Also my memory being what it is I'm starting to forget what's what ! [:I]
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=115841&p=1
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on March 24, 2008, 13:33:06
Updated 26/3/08:
   (Edit : First thread entry at top put into correct numerical order.)
   
   CF(X): 29, 46, 67, 77. Query Nos: 7, 12, 13, 14.
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=115841&p=1
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Emmanueld on May 11, 2008, 21:11:05
Hi Paul, Maybe you might want to show a more dignified photo in your registry like:
   (http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q271/Emmanueld_2007/428/104_0473.jpg)
   
   The car will be repainted in it's original BRG livery! When it's finished, I will send you a bunch of photos for you files. As far as the windshield, I have not done anything yet, It's going to have to come out when we paint the car and there is a risk of breakage. ???
   
   
   Regards,
   
   Emmanuel [:)]
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on May 11, 2008, 21:46:10
Mine is only a temporary interim Register until the Club puts up their own one at some stage, but be interested of course to see your finished pics.
   
   Looking forward to a great article on both your cars too !
   
   Paul
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on May 17, 2008, 21:46:12
Current rough total of all AC 428s and conversions.
   
   Hopefully no errors !
   
   Paul [:)]
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   Final Rough Totals:
   
   Quick Reference List - including but not counting MA 200 and CF 81 the final prototype pop-up headlight car.
   
   Fastbacks known :
   CF(X): 4, 7, 19, 20, 22, 28, 29, 30, 38, 40, 43, 46, 49, 55, 57, 59, 62, 63, 64, 65, 67, 69, 70.
   
   Total = 23
   
   Convertibles known : CF(X): 1, 2, 3, 6, 9, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 24, 25, 31, 33, 34, 36, 37, 54, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80.
   
   Total = 24
   
   428/ Cobra Conversions etc. known :CF(X): 18, 23, 32, 35, 39, 47 and 68.
   
   Total = 7
   
   Grand total : 54
   
   Queries Unknown: 1 - 15
   _____________________________________________________
   
   Guesstimated Summary
   
   A). 54 cars "known".
   
   CF(X) 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 43, 46, 47, 49, 54, 55, 57, 59, 62, 63, 64, 65, 67, 68, 69, 70, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80.
   
   B). 26 cars "unknown".
   
   CF(X) 5, 8, 10, 11, 13, 21, 26, 27, 41, 42, 44, 45, 48, 50, 51, 52, 53, 56, 58, 60, 61, 66, 71, 72, 73, 74.
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Emmanueld on May 18, 2008, 02:28:52
This According to the website id CFX4: http://www.motorlegend.com/coupe/ac-428-frua/2,12587.html
   
   http://www.motorlegend.com/modules/base_pict/edito/33047.jpg
   
   First coupe built, 4 speed and halibrands.
   
   Emmanuel[:)]
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Emmanueld on May 18, 2008, 02:45:23
CFX29 owned by J.Jones.
   
   (http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q271/Emmanueld_2007/JJ/IMGP1224.jpg)
   
   Emmanuel
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: tim isles on May 18, 2008, 04:21:23
With regard to the register posted on 18 May, herewith a small correction - CF19 is a Fastback (and is currently in the USA). Quick question. Why leave off CF 81, which is a 428 in every respect, and therefore the final car (and 31st convertible) made?
   Good luck with the hunt!
   Tim Isles
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on May 18, 2008, 13:42:02
quote:
Quick question. Why leave off CF 81, which is a 428 in every respect, and therefore the final car (and 31st convertible) made?

   (http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/428Register-thumbnailCF81.jpg)
   
   Thanks for all the input and good question ! I overlooked it so my apologies ! [:)] In me defence m'lud probably because I've always been a bit uncertain simplistically because it's a different shape. I think someone brought this interesting point up on here last year but as I can't remember the final result, it's still only my own unenlightened view. I suppose the basic question is how do you define a 428 ? The shape, under the body or....? I expect the Club knows but as this is only a temporary Register more than happy to abide by whatever goes.
   
   Any idea when the new Register might be appearing ?
   
   Thanks for the support
   
   Paul [:)]
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on May 18, 2008, 14:23:58
quote:
Originally posted by Emmanueld
   
This According to the website id CFX4: http://www.motorlegend.com/coupe/ac-428-frua/2,12587.html
   
   http://www.motorlegend.com/modules/base_pict/edito/33047.jpg
   
   First coupe built, 4 speed and halibrands.
   
   Emmanuel[:)]
   

   
   Thanks for both inputs Emmanuel
   
   Paul  [:)]
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on July 14, 2008, 12:53:55
14/7/08
   
   Unfortunately as "The Gentleman's Express Club" AC 428 Register has always been a temporary one and my good lady's patience is now being strained to record highs, regrettably I won't be able to spare the time to continue updating and maintaining it all for very much longer. So if anyone would like to refer to any of the pics. or period articles currently archived in Photobucket well beforehand, say for cross-reference purposes with the Register, please drop me an e-mail for a confidential password to view. For ID and copyright reasons only could you also include your usual Forum name and Forum registered address as well.
   
   http://s130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/?special_track=nav_tab_my_albums
   
   New e-mail address cancelling old is 428classicus at googlemail Dot com........
   
   Thanks and enjoy - 270 entries so far ! [8D]
   
   Paul
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/index.spark?forumID=115841&p=1
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on March 02, 2009, 15:00:25
The last major Register Update for quite a while....[8D]
   
   Updated 2/3/09:
   CF(X) 1, 7, 14, 15(new), 20, 24, 37, 43, 46, 63, 67.
   Query 2 resolved CF - 46. Query 13 resolved - CFX 4. New Query 17 - CF 8 ?
   Further road tests added :
   "Car" Road Test: December 1966 - CF 1.
   "Autocar" Road Test: July 4 1968 - CF 7.
   "Car" Road Test: March 1969 - CF 7.
   "Country Life" Road Test: July 27 1972 - CF 63.
   "Performance Ford" Road Test : April 1988 - CF 24
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/index.spark?forumID=115841&p=3&topicID=20130103
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on May 10, 2009, 14:44:48
Updated 10/5/09: CF(X) 28. Query 10, Query "Unknown": 1).
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/index.spark?forumID=115841&p=1&a=45
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on May 22, 2009, 19:52:22
Updated 1/6/09: CF(X) 33, 34. Query "Unknown": 6). - CF 33.
   Updated 22/5/09: Query "Unknown": 4), 5), 6) - new.
   Updated 14/5/09: Query "Unknown": 2), 3). "Copies of original AC 428 adverts in magazines".
   
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Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on July 24, 2009, 17:55:40
Updated 24/7/09: CF 6, CF 48, CF 59, CF 60(New), CF 66. "Unknown 6".
   ACOC 60th Anniversary International. New "Search" button on top bar.
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on July 29, 2009, 10:26:45
Updated 29/7/09: CF 44 (New). Query : 01, 02, 03, 08, 09 Resolved. Unknown : 3 (CFX 54), 4 (CF 57), 6 (CF 44) Resolved.
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on August 22, 2009, 13:11:57
Updated 22/8/09: CF 12, 48, 78. Original error CF 48 - now listed under "Traced". All previous "Query" entries now listed under "Unknown".
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on August 30, 2009, 22:18:41
Updated 30/8/09: CF 7, 38, 50(new), 75.  Unknown ~ 11.  New Forum "Individual Pictures".
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on December 03, 2009, 13:37:10
Updated 3/12/09: CF 18, CF 44, CF 62, CF 65, CF 66, CF 74. CF "91". Unknown 11, 12.
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on February 04, 2010, 10:21:34
As of the 1st February 2010 due to increasing family commitments, I won't unfortunately have the time any longer to spend on "The AC Frua 428 Register and Archive" so it is now closed permanently.
   
   Been good fun ! [:)]
   
   Paul
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: cf24 on February 04, 2010, 13:10:32
Sorry to read your note .  This page was so informative and invaluable , shame to lose it when it is at its current stage and when so much hard work has been spent creating such an informative document.
   
   Is there not another expert in the club out there who would consider taking it over ?
   
   Maybe a note in ACtion ?
   
   I am sure that many prople do not know of this site and of its content.
   
   Regards
   
   Ken Chisholm
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on February 09, 2011, 13:42:29
There's an exception to every rule ! [:D]
   
   Thanks JJ
   
   Paul
   _____________
   Updated 9/2/11
   
   CF 29. First YouTube video of an AC 428 Frua.
   
   "A Sunday drive around Lake Hollywood."
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=115841&p=3&topicID=16000557
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: shep on February 10, 2011, 13:32:40
Hi Classicus,
   
   I know you said a couple of years ago that you were thinking of stopping your 428 Register. As you know, as Registrar I keep the ACOC 428 Frua Register, but it is mostly hard copy records of the history of the 428s over the years. I have managed to help you identify some cars on your register in the past, and I certainly checked the last publication of the ACOC Register against yours, in case I had missed anything obvious.
   You have undoubtedly produced a work of art and it would be a real shame if it went to waste. I wonder if there is some way we could combine the two registers to make an all singing and dancing ACOC Register? There is obviously confidential information on file which could not be published because of the wishes of the owners or contributors, but the nett result could be of interest to the membership.I presume pressures and time constraints preclude you from taking on the job, but there may be someone out there!
   Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any thoughts about it. All the best, Andy.
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on February 10, 2011, 15:18:39
Hi Andy
   
   Thanks, just emailed you.
   
   Paul [:)]
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on February 25, 2011, 10:42:48
Updated 25/2/11
   
   CFX 54. History details.
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=115841&topicID=16001932&p=3
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on March 07, 2011, 19:49:42
Updated 7/3/11
   
   CF 14, CF 42, CF 65: History.
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=115841&subForumID=397875&p=2
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Emmanueld on March 08, 2011, 04:41:47
Hi Paul, the Bonham auction with a date of December 09 is all wrong. I have owned this car since 04 I believe. E
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: lyonheart84 on March 10, 2011, 18:05:03
Further to my other Frua which I could not remember the details for, I have now located the information and the 3rd Fastback was chassis number CF48, registered at that time as VKM 661H. This was probably around 1990. In fact CF 42 and CF 65 were owned by me personally, CF14 and CF 48 were owned by the family business the Epping Motor Company. These days we tend to stick to more mundane and affordable classics like MG's and Triumphs ! I think I have located 1 or 2 photos which I will attempt to scan and e-mail to you,
   Brett
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on March 10, 2011, 19:31:25
Thanks Brett all updated looking forward to the pics
   
   Paul
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=115841&subForumID=397875&p=2
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: lyonheart84 on March 13, 2011, 20:48:58
Paul, finally found 2 or 3 ( poor ) photos, need your e-mail address to send them. Couldn't find one of CF42 as it's too long ago, but I have a couple featuring CF65 and one of CF 48. No pictures Of Jim Feldman's car CF14 when it was still Mushroom colour
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on March 15, 2011, 13:55:23
Updated 15/3/11
   
   CF 48, CF 65.
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=115841&subForumID=397875&p=2
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on July 08, 2011, 10:10:35
Fantastic pic of CF 80 !! Memorable [8D]
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/t16003944/cf-80/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on January 06, 2012, 17:25:44
Updated 7/1/12: CF 1, CF 3, CF 12, CFX 13 (New), CFX 22, CF 23, CF 27, CF 44, CF46, CF 52, CF 63, CF 65, CF 67, CF 70, CF 72 (New), CF 73. MA 200 YouTube video. Unknown 10. "Motor Racing Magazine" June 1969.
   
   * All remaining entries checked and updated where necessary.
   * All Updates for 2011 transferred to Past Updates.
   

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Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on February 09, 2012, 15:13:12
Updated 9/2/12: CFX 13, CF 20, CFX 29, CF 48.
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/f397875/register-amp-archive/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: shep on February 09, 2012, 15:55:58
Hi Paul, I was looking at your register, and notice a couple are listed as Status Unknown. CF20 is alive and well, and living in my garage! Paint colour changed to Ferrari Rosso Corsa Red before Bill and I bought her about 30 years ago. We changed the gearbox to manual and the wheels to Halibrand peg drive, as we had dozens of Cobra wheels and tyres which fit perfectly. Also I know that the Silver CFX 27 is actively being used over in Ireland. I recently spoke to the owner of CF48 who has the car in Germany, and is currently bringing it up to perfect condition. Hope that helps, Andy.
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on February 09, 2012, 17:41:49
Thanks Andy. I'd often wondered if it was CF 20 but never got around to asking !! [:)] OK with CF 27 thanks....
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on September 27, 2012, 15:31:44
Updated: 27/9/12. CF 28
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/t16000363/cf-28/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on February 18, 2013, 16:48:32
Updated 18/2/13:
   
   CF 7, CFX 22.
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/t15999610/cf-07/
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/t16000149/cf-22/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: shep on February 19, 2013, 15:25:31
Hi Paul, I have spoken to the current keepers of both CF 7 and CFX 22. The latter is with Camberley Marine and Sportscars, and looks lovely with its new chrome wire wheels. With the huge fan and cowl behind the radiator, it looks like any heating issues have been resolved! The former car CF 7 is with a private collector who has asked to remain anonymous, but it is great to know his car is in fine fettle and being well cared for. Thanks for keeping us all up to date, Andy.
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on February 19, 2013, 20:35:04
My pleasure Andy [:)]
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: J Jones on February 20, 2013, 09:05:40
Paul, How nice to see your contributions again.
   As far as I can tell, it was January 2007 when the "How many Frua's..." thread began, and March of 2007 that you piped up with the beginnings of an answer. You've been the catalyst in arriving at an answer! (and, as you might remember, there will one day be a long-lost addition to the list - hopefully)
   Thank you!
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on February 20, 2013, 18:44:48
Thanks Jeff [:D] Certainly been a while and what the picture was like back then compared to today, trying to stop them being converted into Cobras with top price I think being around £30 - £40k or so with most topics about rust and overheating. And what it was like throughout the Nineties always stuck from vague memory around £15 - £20k or so ? I can also remember Andy once saying we need someone famous to buy one, Beckham I think it was, so howzabout you and Emmanuel together when ready paying a real casual “just passin’, howdy” visit to Jay Leno ? That would really be a cool way to git things movin' on upwards agin.... ! [8D]
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on April 04, 2013, 22:53:42
Updated 4/4/13
   
   Unknown 01: Formerly Keith Moon's AC 428.
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/t19535676/unknown-cars/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on January 12, 2014, 12:07:36
Updated 12/1/14
   
   CF 19
   
   http://www.acownersclub.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2997
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/t15999734/cf-19/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: J Jones on May 01, 2014, 04:38:29
Message to Classicus:
   
   Paul - I tried to send you an email, but your "fruafan" address is defunct.
   I was trying to send you photos of another "unknown" fastback for your register. It's CF26, intact under a 40 year layer of dust. (It is VERY "dusty")
   Are you still with us? Would you like to see?
   
   And by-the-way...
   I have a photo of Jay Leno admiring my 428. He pulled up next to the Frua in his Merlin-powered Bently, and was full of admiration for the car. He really likes the 428's - knew all about them, and said he wanted one. (this mentioned, as you had expressed an interest in having feedback from him)
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on May 01, 2014, 12:46:37
Hi Jeff
   
   Great news ! Can’t wait to see the pics of CF 26 well done ! How did you find it ?
   
   And Jay Leno on top !! Ooooo - which always reminds me of the guy in “Car 54 where are you ?” which goes back ! Really love to see the pic of him admiring yours too. Long overdue recognition and publicity for the 428 indeed !
   
   Just sent you an email....
   
   Thanks !! [8D]
   
   Paul
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Emmanueld on May 04, 2014, 22:11:10
Hi Paul,
   
   "Car 54 reporting" I am here, the car is getting back together slowwwwwly.
   
   I just saw the rebuilt calipers yesterday, newly blasted, painted new pistons and seals. Incidentally, we found a stock MKIII Girling clutch fork, master cylinder, slave cylinder and bracket to replace the Kit car system used previously (Bracket and slave cylinder out of a 59 Ford pickup, we had issue sizing the Girling master cylinder. I never liked it! My clutch was very light but the travel was way too long (like that of a truck) and I did not like it. It will be heavier but I think much better. This not a "girly" car anyway! Should feel just like a big block Cobra. Jeffrey, this will work for you as well since you have the same 59 Ford system on your car.
   
   Better than new.
   
   Emmanuel[:)]
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: J Jones on May 04, 2014, 22:19:01
Paul -
   No email as yet from you. I checked my address in "profiles", and it should work.
   Somehow your email to me has gone astray.
   Try again please.
   Jeff J
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on May 04, 2014, 23:18:48
quote:
Originally posted by Emmanueld

   Hi Paul,
   
   "Car 54 reporting" I am here, the car is getting back together slowwwwwly.
   
   I just saw the rebuilt calipers yesterday, newly blasted, painted new pistons and seals. Incidentally, we found a stock MKIII Girling clutch fork, master cylinder, slave cylinder and bracket to replace the Kit car system used previously (Bracket and slave cylinder out of a 59 Ford pickup, we had issue sizing the Girling master cylinder. I never liked it! My clutch was very light but the travel was way too long (like that of a truck) and I did not like it. It will be heavier but I think much better. This not a "girly" car anyway! Should feel just like a big block Cobra. Jeffrey, this will work for you as well since you have the same 59 Ford system on your car.
   
   Better than new.
   
   Emmanuel[:)]

   
   This is so funny ! I'd genuinely forgotten you had CF 54....!!!
   
   Watch it through....[:D]
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyXmncTIbDg
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on May 05, 2014, 00:07:52
quote:
Originally posted by J Jones

   Paul -
   No email as yet from you. I checked my address in "profiles", and it should work.
   Somehow your email to me has gone astray.
   Try again please.
   Jeff J

   Hi Jeff
   
   Email re-sent...
   
   I was wondering what had happened too, look forward to seeing pics.
   
   Paul
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on May 05, 2014, 19:16:21
Hi Jeff
   
   Mystery, I just tried to send myself an email from the forum to my regular gmail address about half an hour ago as it’d always been working ok, but it still hasn’t arrived for some reason so could explain why the first one didn’t arrive ?
   
   So cross checked by sending a second one to the same address only this time using gmail to gmail direct instead and it arrived immediately so no idea what it could be.
   
   Try sending one from the forum to yourself as well, see what happens…
   
   Thanks
   
   Paul
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: J Jones on May 06, 2014, 22:23:44
sent three photos of CF26 to your temporary email address. Hope you get them. Good to know there's another existing 428 to add to the register. Though partially disassembled with parts scattered, I was told it's complete under 40-ish years of dust.
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on May 07, 2014, 19:30:26
Updated: CF 26
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/t16000331/cf-26/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on June 11, 2014, 22:07:45
Updated CF 76. Unknown 12 & 13.
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/t16003564/cf-76/?page=1#lastPostAnchor
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on June 14, 2014, 22:36:58
Updated CFX 13
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/t15999657/cf-13/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on August 27, 2015, 00:27:03
Updated CF 40
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/t16000864/cf-40/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Classicus on January 11, 2017, 18:03:06
Updated 11/1/17 : CF 17
   Updated 11/1/17 : CFX 73

   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/t15999681/cf-17/
   
   http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/t16003475/cf-73/
Title: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: shep on February 09, 2017, 15:05:54
Jeff,
   
   I am currently updating the ACOC 428 Frua Register for publication to the membership. I saw your photos of CF 26. In previous registers it was listed as CFX 26, but checking the original factory ledger, CF 26 is indeed right. It was sold to a chap in Manchester here in the UK but I have no further contact until your photos. Can you share any further details, and can send Private Message to me for confidentiality.  Hope all is well with you, Andy.
Title: Re: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Matthew on October 23, 2018, 09:52:23
Does anyone know if the Frua Register is still open for updates or has it been closed down ?
Title: Re: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: DGoose on October 23, 2018, 11:59:31
Hi Matthew,

Still live as the club renewed the subscription yesterday, the old web address, if saved, will flag up as insecure being non https://

Use the new address below,

https://acfrua428.activeboard.com/
Title: Re: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: Matthew on October 23, 2018, 17:52:39
Thanks as it's good to see the Register is still getting roughly 30 to 40 users or so daily which is listed at the bottom so there's obviously still some interest in the car.

Has there been any news, updates or pics on member's cars or generally since Feb last year as for some reason they're not mentioned in the Classic Car mags any more....?
Title: Re: Gentleman's Express Club AC 428 Register - Updates
Post by: shep on April 03, 2019, 12:37:37
Hi Matthew,
My 428 is sitting in the garage at the moment with a seized clutch and a slight water leak from the header tank. I really must pull it out and get it running for the summer. Longer term, the magnolia interior is looking a bit tired and would benefit from some attention, and years ago we converted the hubs to run Halibrand alloy wheels in place of the wire wheels. I really should return it to the wires. and then the paintwork is OK but showing signs of age so perhaps some work will be required in 4 or 5 years time.
Cheers, Andy.