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AC Owners Club Forum => 428 Frua Forum => Topic started by: cmaddox3 on July 10, 2007, 19:20:19
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As I'm scanning in some articles I've located, I thought it might be a good idea to have a topic devoted to such scans. Here is an article I recently purchased off of eBay for your viewing/reading pleasure...
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/ac428convertable_review/800/page_1_800w.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/ac428convertable_review/800/page_2_800w.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/ac428convertable_review/800/page_3_800w.jpg)
I'm sorry but I don't know the publication nor the date [little help?] and apologies if these have already been posted.
Also, I've provided higher-resolution scans in the following directories:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/ac428convertable_review/1200/ <--- 1200 pixel wide...
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/ac428convertable_review/2400/ <--- 2400 pixel wide...
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/ac428convertable_review/full/ <--- full resolution...
Cheers and Enjoy!
-- Chuck
P.S. There is more to come as I have time to clean up the scans I've made and post them! [:D]
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Thanks Chuck,I wonder if CF 1 still has that 390 fitted?
Paul.[:)]
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Originally posted by runt
Thanks Chuck,I wonder if CF 1 still has that 390 fitted?
Paul.[:)]
Hi Paul,
I would have little idea, save for guesses... While the HP ratings of the 390 and 428 might be comparable, the 428 would have a torque edge. While I'd suspect at some point it'd probably be retrofit with a more standard 428 plant, the Pietro-Frua.de site seems to have 390 specs listed for it.
http://www.pietro-frua.de/1965_ac01.htm <--- Then click on Translation and then scroll to bottom.
That's about the extent of my thoughts on the topic. Also note the lack of side engine vents on this the first production version. It would seem that AC realized early on the need for more engine ventilation because of heat related issues.
Chuck
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Hello,
Back in early 1972 the publication Automobile Quarterly (Volume 10, Number 1) ran a very nice article on a brief history of the marque...
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/AQ_10_1/940/001_960w.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/AQ_10_1/940/086-087_960w.jpg)
As the splash page indicates, the history, which runs some 20 pages, covers the history of AC from it's beginning to the then current AC 428 Frua. Posting the entire article is probably beyond the scope of this site, however, here is a snap of the page covering the AC 428:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/AQ_10_1/940/104-105_960w.jpg)
and a link to a 1920 Pixel wide version of this page:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/AQ_10_1/940/104-105.jpg
Here are links to PDF's of the full article:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/AQ_10_1/940/AQ_10_1_940w.pdf <--- 5.6m 940 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/AQ_10_1/1920/AQ_10_1_1920w.pdf <--- 10.6m 1920 Pixel Wide.
For those who are interested, The original color of CF 7 [original plate: UPG 428F] seems to be a shade of Greaen not dissimilar from the "Pea Soup Grayish Green" the car in the scan above is painted. This is not a very attractive color [in my opinion] at all.
I hope folks find the article worthwhile.
-- Chuck
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Thanks Chuck,funnily enough that Kastanienrot English Maroon is my fave color combination; see Classicus' thread.And of course nothing wrong with the 390 FE; a long serving unit in the Ford range.
Paul.[:)]
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I love the quote from John Ruskin at the bottom which I'd never seen before. So true ! [:)]
Been half wondering if anyone's interested in a scan of an original 428 sales brochure that I got from HR Owens Chelsea showroom back in the Seventies ? Unfortunately it's now pretty creased and worn but unless anyone's got a cleaner copy happy to oblige in a day or two ?
I also remember Owens had a fastback on display and for sale at the time, plus I read somewhere on here only recently that they'd also placed a firm order with the factory for 6 more. But it seems that Signore Pietro had yet another strike on his hands, and then the factory decided it was all getting much too expensive anyway.... Most Italian car makers always seemed to be on strike then too, Alfa and Fiat usually tops amongst them and as their rust proofing was legendary I suppose we can't complain too much either, though as I'd never used an Italian washing machine of that period (roughly par with any English one) I'm really not qualified to say. [;)]
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That would be interesting to see Classicus, thanks as ever.
Paul.[:)]
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Originally posted by Classicus
I love the quote from John Ruskin at the bottom which I'd never seen before. So true ! [:)]
Me too! I caught that quote while I was scanning it in. I might have to appropriate it for a .sig quote at some point.
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Originally posted by Classicus
Been half wondering if anyone's interested in a scan of an original 428 sales brochure that I got from HR Owens Chelsea showroom back in the Seventies ? Unfortunately it's now pretty creased and worn but unless anyone's got a cleaner copy happy to oblige in a day or two ?
I'm interested, for one, if you post it, I'll try to clean up as many creases as I can and host the results.
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Originally posted by Classicus
I also remember Owens had a fastback on display and for sale at the time, plus I read somewhere on here only recently that they'd also placed a firm order with the factory for 6 more. But it seems that Signore Pietro had yet another strike on his hands, and then the factory decided it was all getting much too expensive anyway.... Most Italian car makers always seemed to be on strike then too, Alfa and Fiat usually tops amongst them and as their rust proofing was legendary I suppose we can't complain too much either, though as I'd never used an Italian washing machine of that period (roughly par with any English one) I'm really not qualified to say. [;)]
I suspect all of the above and the first round of the OPEC/post Yom Kippur War Energy Crisis sealed the fate of a 7-Litre two-seater. I'm certain that the ME3000 seemed to be a very sensible route for the firm to follow in the wake of all of the above.
[/i]I just know that if AC had been able to farm out the coachwork somewhere in the UK, and or made a concerted effort to sell to the US the production run would have been much greater. As I've said many times over the past 30 years. The AC 428 is a nigh unknown gem of a car that does precious little [if anything] wrong, and nearly everything else better than the competition. They are an exotic, that's truely exotic, and yet can be serviced nearly anywhere with little or no fuss.
-- Chuck
P.S. I hope to be able to get my hands on some other materials to scan in the next few weeks..... Soooooo.... Watch this space!
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Originally posted by runt
Thanks Chuck,funnily enough that Kastanienrot English Maroon is my fave color combination; see Classicus' thread.And of course nothing wrong with the 390 FE; a long serving unit in the Ford range.
Paul.[:)]
Hi Paul,
I really like a Candy Apple Red/Burgundy main color (leaning towards Rust or Brownish Red) along with a Tan of Khaki interior [as evidenced by my tastes in my current vehicle. I also like the BRG/Tan combination that Emmanuel has on his example.
And yes, the 390ci plant is a good one as well, but as the adage goes, there is no substiture for Cubic Inches!
Cheers!
Chuck
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I'm interested, for one, if you post it, I'll try to clean up as many creases as I can and host the results.
Thanks Chuck [:)]
Never needing anything more modern I'm still using ancient Window's '98 together with Paintshop, so would you like me to scan the 4-6 pages of the 428 brochure as it is, or have a go at cleaning it all up first ? Other than a bit grubby the biggest difficulty is a wretched 1/8th inch wide, worn white line right down the middle of the main colour page.
Annoyingly there's still quite a few good clean brochures around too especially at classic car jumble sales, in fact not knowing about this forum I saw one in excellent condition only late last year going for next to nothing ! And let it go sadly.
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I suspect all of the above and the first round of the OPEC/post Yom Kippur War Energy Crisis sealed the fate of a 7-Litre two-seater.
I'm sure this had a lot to do with it too. I also remember asking Keith Judd after they'd moved to Summer Road from the old factory and in about 1985/6, why they'd ceased production of the 428. He immediately replied it was because the car wouldn't have passed the crash test, shades presumably of post Ralph Nader etc.... ?
Final thought, as Classicus is getting to be a bit of a mouthful each time and to complicate things I'm a Paul as well, Cass is easier I reckon ? [:)]
Edit: Any idea why all the text keeps on going to the right and off the screen ? Or does it mean yet another new something'y or other ? And for the record I'm more than content to always remain blissfully ignorant of the workings of all things computerised and mechanical ! Odd isn't it ? [:)]
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Originally posted by Classicus
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I'm interested, for one, if you post it, I'll try to clean up as many creases as I can and host the results.
Thanks Chuck [:)]
Never needing anything more modern I'm still using ancient Window's '98 together with Paintshop, so would you like me to scan the 4-6 pages of the 428 brochure as it is, or have a go at cleaning it all up first ? Other than a bit grubby the biggest difficulty is a wretched 1/8th inch wide, worn white line right down the middle of the main colour page.
You're Welcome!
I understand where you're coming from with the Windows 98 machine. I'm a firm believer in "Old Tech that works is good tech". In fact I use an HTML editor that was last updated in 1998 to do my website.
I'd be happy to try to restore the scans on my own. Just scan what you have and I'll see what I can do with it.
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Originally posted by Classicus
Annoyingly there's still quite a few good clean brochures around too especially at classic car jumble sales, in fact not knowing about this forum I saw one in excellent condition only late last year going for next to nothing ! And let it go sadly.
Well, now we know better!
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Originally posted by cmaddox3[/i]
I suspect all of the above and the first round of the OPEC/post Yom Kippur War Energy Crisis sealed the fate of a 7-Litre two-seater.
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Originally posted by Classicus
I'm sure this had a lot to do with it too. I also remember asking Keith Judd after they'd moved to Summer Road from the old factory and in about 1985/6, why they'd ceased production of the 428. He immediately replied it was because the car wouldn't have passed the crash test, shades presumably of post Ralph Nader etc.... ?
Well, I know that 1968 ushered in a whole slew of new automotive regulations, not the least of which was a collapsable steering column, which I do not believe the AC 428 possesses. So this should also be added to the "contributing causes" column for the AC 428's [sadly premature] demise.
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Originally posted by Classicus[/i]
Final thought, as Classicus is getting to be a bit of a mouthful each time and to complicate things I'm a Paul as well, Cass is easier I reckon ? [:)]
Cass would be shorter and as Runt is also a Paul, that would probably be best to keep you two from going "Wha?" when someone says Paul.
=)
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Originally posted by Classicus:
Edit: Any idea why all the text keeps on going to the right and off the screen ? Or does it mean yet another new something'y or other ? And for the record I'm more than content to always remain blissfully ignorant of the workings of all things computerised and mechanical ! Odd isn't it ? [:)][/i]
Probably because some fool posted a 1000 pixel wide scan in this thread, and you probably have your screen resolution set to somewhat less than that.
At least that'd be my guess.
Cheers!
Chuck
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Chuck, thanks for all this stuff;that 0-100 time for the Cobra 427 does show the 'other worldly' performance of that car compared to anything else available @ the time..still shattering forty years on..!Mr Hurlock sounds like a very 'hands on MD, great stuff.
Cass..computers usually start smoking when this Paul gets anywhere near them..!
Paul/runt.[:D]
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Chuck and Paul: don't know if you've checked or not, but there's also quite a few period AC scans under "Some 428 History" I posted when I first joined you might also find interesting ?
Thanks for the warning Paul [;)]!
Oh yes sort of follow about pixel size in the top box when posting, and always left it as 800 x 600. Do I leave at this or....?
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Hi Chuck and Paul
Hope all the scans and text of the original 428 sales brochure come through clearly.... Apologies again about the wear and creases but as it's 30 years old I'm definitely keeping my eyes peeled for another couple ! [:D] 8 sides in all.
Front Cover
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/AC428-BrochurePage1.jpg)
Side 2
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/AC428-Brochurepage2.gif)
Side 3
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/AC428-BrochurePage3.gif)
Side 4
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/AC428-Brochurepage4.jpg)
Side 5
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/AC428-BrochurePage5.gif)
Side 6
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/AC428-BrochurePage6.jpg)
Side 7
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/AC428-BrochurePage7.gif)
Back cover
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/AC428-BrochurePage8.jpg)
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Thanks Cass; wonderful,I notice that a 3.07 axle ratio was specified as well as the 2.88 I assumed they all had..if it was the manuals that had 3.07, this would drop mph @ 1000 revs in top from 29.7 to 24.7, must have pulled like a train, but would have been reaching peak power (4,400 rpm) @ only 110 mph.
Beautiful green color in the convertible pics, what year is this brochure I wonder, later switchgear obviously.
Paul.[:)]
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I notice that a 3.07 axle ratio was specified as well as the 2.88 I assumed they all had..if it was the manuals that had 3.07, this would drop mph @ 1000 revs in top from 29.7 to 24.7, must have pulled like a train, but would have been reaching peak power (4,400 rpm) @ only 110 mph.
Sorry Paul you've lost me completely no idea at all, it's just as much double dutch as ever! [:D] Must be nice to know what it all means but something always seems to switch off whenever I try to figure it ! [:I]
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Beautiful green color in the convertible pics, what year is this brochure I wonder, later switchgear obviously.
I had to darken the pic a bit to pick up the text so although I think it's a fabulous green it's actually a little lighter. I'll scan it again later tonight to get as close a match as possible. There's no date on the brochure either unfortunately, but I'd noticed the later switches as well which I think didn't come in until the H or J reg. years, so my guess is they must have updated the brochures as they went along. I'm pretty certain I got this one in about 1976/7 as I hadn't seen or heard of them before then.
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Hi Paul, just noticed this is the same car as the car on the front cover, as well as the one on Page 7 with the luggage - PPL 428 E. Anyway this second scan is as close as I can get to the colour on the brochure, to be exact it's now somewhere in between the two. I much prefer the first scanned colour !
There might be another colour pic on the Pietro Frua site too....?
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/AC428-Brochure-Greencolour.jpg)
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Originally posted by Classicus
Hi Chuck and Paul
Hope all the scans and text of the original 428 sales brochure come through clearly.... Apologies again about the wear and creases but as it's 30 years old I'm definitely keeping my eyes peeled for another couple ! [:D] 8 sides in all.
Wow! I have my work cut out for me... Well, I've been busy too. Here are a few scans I did today...
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac427/one_page_800w.jpg)
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac427/one_page_1200w.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac427/one_page_2400w.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide
and:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac428conv_ad/ac428conv_ad_800.jpg)
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac428conv_ad/ac428conv_ad_1200.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac428conv_ad/ac428conv_ad_2400.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide
I'll be posting more as I have time to edit them down.
And I'll work on those scans you posted Cass!
-- Chuck
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From the December 1966 Issue of Car:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Dec_66/p1_800.jpg)
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Dec_66/p1_1200.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Dec_66/p1_2400.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Dec_66/p2_800.jpg)
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Dec_66/p2_1200.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Dec_66/p2_2400.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide
Still more to come!
-- Chuck
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From the 4 October Issue of Autosport:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/autosport_4_Oct_68/p1_800.jpg)
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/autosport_4_Oct_68/p1_1200.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/autosport_4_Oct_68/p1_2400.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/autosport_4_Oct_68/p2_800.jpg)
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/autosport_4_Oct_68/p2_1200.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/autosport_4_Oct_68/p2_2400.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/autosport_4_Oct_68/p3_800.jpg)
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/autosport_4_Oct_68/p3_1200.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/autosport_4_Oct_68/p3_2400.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide
Still more to come!
-- Chuck
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From the January 1971 Issue of Car:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p1_800.jpg)
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p1_1200.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p1_2400.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p2_800.jpg)
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p2_1200.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p2_2400.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p3_800.jpg)
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p3_1200.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p3_2400.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p4_800.jpg)
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p4_1200.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p4_2400.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p5_800.jpg)
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p5_1200.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Car_Jan_71/p5_2400.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide
That's all for tonight...
-- Chuck
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Wow! I have my work cut out for me...
Lol [:D] I had a feeling you might say that ! Thanks of course Chuck but seriously I think you'd save yourself a lot of time and effort on my old copy, by keeping an eye on E-Bay instead where they still come up from time to time. I've seen good examples go for around £10 - £20 quite often. I'm also going to start checking out one or two local classic car shows and their autojumble and trade stands and see if I get lucky.
This example below isn't up to much at all as it's got punch holes, worst of all it's ridiculously expensive !!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AC-428-Convertible-Sales-Brochure_W0QQitemZ230054275822QQihZ013QQcategoryZ36086QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
As for all your scanning efforts Great Stuff ! [8D] Did your father collect all these at the time ? Some interesting copies I haven't seen before so a lot of reading !! Brilliant and thanks again ! [:)]
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Yep, a big thanks Chuck from this Paul also, I hadn't seen the later Car stuff, seems like you (and Cass) may have more old mags than I; and my attic is wilting under the weight of old 'Motor' and Autocar', some as old as 1948..!
Today's other responsibilities put on hold while I read 'em..!
Paul.[:)]
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Originally posted by Classicus
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Originally posted by cmaddox3
Wow! I have my work cut out for me...
Lol [:D] I had a feeling you might say that ! Thanks of course Chuck but seriously I think you'd save yourself a lot of time and effort on my old copy, by keeping an eye on E-Bay instead where they still come up from time to time. I've seen good examples go for around £10 - £20 quite often. I'm also going to start checking out one or two local classic car shows and their autojumble and trade stands and see if I get lucky.
Eh, I need to keep my rusty skills from completely atrophying
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Originally posted by Classicus
This example below isn't up to much at all as it's got punch holes, worst of all it's ridiculously expensive !!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AC-428-Convertible-Sales-Brochure_W0QQitemZ230054275822QQihZ013QQcategoryZ36086QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
I mean I don't mind paying a little for a good piece of AC 428 Regalia but that's a little on the steep side.
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Originally posted by Classicus
As for all your scanning efforts Great Stuff ! [8D] Did your father collect all these at the time ? Some interesting copies I haven't seen before so a lot of reading !! Brilliant and thanks again ! [:)]
Actually, I nabbed all of these from the Brooklands Books collection of AC articles from the 1960's and early 1970's I bought on eBay...
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/brooklands.jpg)
This collection has all of the one's I posted yesterday and the Autocar Road Test 2191 and the Motor Road Test No. 30/68 which I believe you've posted earlier in the UPG 428G thread. I think the scans I have might be of better quality and I can host higher resolution scans which others can print of their own personal use...
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Originally posted by Classicus
As for all your scanning efforts Great Stuff ! [8D] Did your father collect all these at the time ? Some interesting copies I haven't seen before so a lot of reading !! Brilliant and thanks again ! [:)]
Well, should I continue with the Autocar and Motor which you've already posted?
About the only other thing I know I have (or at least have coming) is this ad I bought off of US eBay last week which is inbound to me...
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/68ac428_adv.jpg)
[I couldn't resist that one!]
I hope to be able to post a higher resolution version of that one soon, too...
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Originally posted by runt
Yep, a big thanks Chuck from this Paul also, I hadn't seen the later Car stuff, seems like you (and Cass) may have more old mags than I; and my attic is wilting under the weight of old 'Motor' and Autocar', some as old as 1948..!
Today's other responsibilities put on hold while I read 'em..!
Paul.[:)]
My "known" stock of stuff here is fairly finite, but I'll try to see if my father squirreled some stuff away as time moves forward.
-- Chuck
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Here is the Autocar 18 July 1968 Ad I purchased off of eBay last week:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/autocar_18_July_1968_ad/ad_800.jpg)
And of course the Higher Resolution versions:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/autocar_18_July_1968_ad/ad_1200.jpg <--- 1200 Pixel Wide
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/autocar_18_July_1968_ad/ad_2400.jpg <--- 2400 Pixel Wide.
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
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I also picked up this item off of eBay last week too:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/dream_machines_s2No51/clip.jpg)
Here's a slight enlargement of the inside of the fold-out:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/dream_machines_s2No51/inside_800.jpg)
and a slight enlargement of the outside of the fold-out:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/dream_machines_s2No51/outside_800.jpg)
A variety of sizes can be accessed inside this folder:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/dream_machines_s2No51/
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
P.S. Obviously a lot of personal opinion in there. While it'd be interesting to note the opinions Vs. the facts, and any errors, realize this is not my work [save for the scaning]. -- C
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Thanks Chuck again [:)] The wheels look like knock on Minilites I think ? For me I think wire wheels look by far the best on the 428 as in the first pic at the beginning of this thread, though using toothbrushes to keep them clean on my old Mark II Sprite was an endless pain !
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Originally posted by Classicus
Thanks Chuck again [:)] The wheels look like knock on Minilites I think ? For me I think wire wheels look by far the best on the 428 as in the first pic at the beginning of this thread, though using toothbrushes to keep them clean on my old Mark II Sprite was an endless pain !
Yah, Minilites, or some variant thereof, I'd think. As for the Wire Wheels, CF 7 is shod upon them, although the knock-off "nut"s on it have three "wings" as opposed to the two "wings" I've seen on many of the articles I've posted. I remember keeping them shiny [especially the fronts] was a bit of a pain in the past but I'd think nowadays with improved products on the market it may not be as difficult, messy or as time consuming as it was in the past.
-- Chuck
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Located another article and two books with some AC 428 Snaps...
I thought I'd pass them along to you all...
The following are from the book "Shelby's Wildlife":
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Shelbys_wildlife/p_26_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Shelbys_wildlife/p_89_800.jpg)
[I kinda like the styling of AC's version of the Daytona Coupe better than the Shelby/Brock design]
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Shelbys_wildlife/p_208_800.jpg)
[and I disagree with the author's assessment of the AC 428 being strictly a boulevard cruiser... I like the AC Cobra 427, but I can't really see touring with one.]
A variety of sizes of these three scans can be found in this directory:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Shelbys_wildlife/
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
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The following is from the book "The Age of Cars":
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[the author has the maker of the body wrong, but happily the photo just so happens to be of CF 7 [the former UPG 428F] which I own along with my sister.]
A variety of sizes of this scan can be found in this directory:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/the_age_of_cars/
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
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Very interesting indeed Chuck thank you ! [:)] And what a great picture of Derek too which I've never seen before so it definitely goes straight into the album ! Curious but it's obvious he was a very tall man which I can clearly remember too, so I've always wondered how much leg room he must have had in the Fruas and Cobras ? Any other tall owners have this problem ?
Not sure but I think the elder gentleman with the glasses is Jock Henderson.... ?
Edit: Don't know if you or anyone's tried the "Google Images" route yet, but out of interest I entered AC 428 coupe which I'd never done before and turned up quite a few new pics. There's a whole lot more on there (the Daytona at bottom right plus Cobras as well) also more on the next 2/3 pages all of which looked interesting too. Then I tried entering AC 428 fastback where there were several more, so next perhaps try convertible, drophead and so on.... [:)] ?
Liked these ones in particular -
http://www.marque.com.au/gallery/AC/
http://www.car-images.de/galerie-ac/index.htm
Apparently there's a mention of a 428 book somewhere in here too -
http://members.aol.com/necobraclub/cobrabooks.htm
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Tis indeed Jock. Derek was circa 6'3" or 6'4" and a large chap to boot. I never quite understood how he fitted into his 3000ME - must have been very flexible! The 428 was his favourite car though....
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Thanks Trevor [:)] Never met Jock unfortunately, what was his role in the factory ? Last I heard he was living in the South West somewhere....?
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Originally posted by Classicus
Very interesting indeed Chuck thank you ! [:)]
You’re welcome. I have a little bit more, once I have had the opportunity to edit the scans to reasonable sizes and compile the PDF and post them and the originals.
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Originally posted by Classicus
And what a great picture of Derek too which I've never seen before so it definitely goes straight into the album ! Curious but it's obvious he was a very tall man which I can clearly remember too, so I've always wondered how much leg room he must have had in the Fruas and Cobras ? Any other tall owners have this problem ?
I am 6’2 1/2” to 6’3” and I do not ever remember being “scrunched” in the AC. In fact I remember reveling in how roomy it was when we first picked it up, but at that point I was only 14 or so and still had at least 4-6” in height to grow. The ’57 T-Bird, despite having a 6 inch longer wheelbase is a much MUCH tighter fit especially with the hardtop on.
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Originally posted by Classicus
Not sure but I think the elder gentleman with the glasses is Jock Henderson.... ?
Edit: Don't know if you or anyone's tried the "Google Images" route yet, but out of interest I entered AC 428 coupe which I'd never done before and turned up quite a few new pics. There's a whole lot more on there (the Daytona at bottom right plus Cobras as well) also more on the next 2/3 pages all of which looked interesting too. Then I tried entering AC 428 fastback where there were several more, so next perhaps try convertible, drophead and so on.... [:)] ?
I have tried Google Images in the past but every time I re-visit it I find new snaps it seems.
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Originally posted by Classicus
Liked these ones in particular -
http://www.marque.com.au/gallery/AC/
http://www.car-images.de/galerie-ac/index.htm
Apparently there's a mention of a 428 book somewhere in here too -
http://members.aol.com/necobraclub/cobrabooks.htm
Lots of books there I remember, quite a few I don’t. That could prove to be an expensive page!
Cheers!
Chuck
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(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Old_Car_v1_n1/p_44_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Old_Car_v1_n1/p_45_800.jpg)
And the same scans in higher resolutions can be found in this directory...
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Old_Car_v1_n1/
Let me know if you'd like me to create a PDF version of this.
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
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Finally found my own copy as I knew I had the wretched thing somewhere ! [:D]
I remember thinking this article was particularly interesting as the writer says he saw his first 428 in 1971 in Tottenham Court Road exactly where I saw my first one in 1976 or so ! And as it wasn't a light colour and the hood was down it's quite possible it might just have been the same car ! Pity the author doesn't leave his name but if he's on the Editorial list below and reading this thread sometime it should be a rare old meeting of souls ! ;-)
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Let me know if you'd like me to create a PDF version of this.
I'm ok thanks unless anyone else wants one ?
(Incidentally 1976 was the year of the very hot summer and prolonged drought, and whilst on the train and crossing over Chelsea Bridge just before Victoria Station you could clearly see the Thames was barely 2/3 feet wide !)
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AC 428 Frua history from John Mclellan's 1985 book "The Classic Acs – Two litre to Cobra".
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And finally an interesting pic of some Cobra 427s on the production line at Thames Ditton - ca 1965.
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Cass [:)]
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I am 6?2 1/2? to 6?3? and I do not ever remember being ?scrunched? in the AC.
(Not sure if anyone else is seeing the same text as I am above, but looks like your inverted commas/ apostrophes (?) are coming out as question marks. No expert at all but I had a similar problem for ages until (in my case) it was resolved by firstly going into Word, clicking on Tools, then AutoCorrect, then AutoFormat As You Type, finally removing the tick in the box marked Straight quotes with smart quotes. Secondly follow the same as above but this time click on AutoFormat at the end, again removing the tick in the box marked "Straight quotes with smart quotes". Which might solve things ?
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Just noticed from the Frua website that MNB 681G above is CF 24 and that CF 23 is a Cobra Replica....
Wish there was an on-line English pic resource of them all ! [:)]
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How about we start a thread with purely photos/details of each known 428. These can be gleaned from articles such as your own resources and from the current owners/club members.
If we keep all other discussion elsewhere it will prove to be an excellent resource.
I don't have the IT knowledge to set up a framework to get them in order, no doubt someone on here does, alternatively we could just post them as we find them.
What do you think?
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How about we start a thread with purely photos/details of each known 428. These can be gleaned from articles such as your own resources and from the current owners/club members.
If we keep all other discussion elsewhere it will prove to be an excellent resource.
I don't have the IT knowledge to set up a framework to get them in order, no doubt someone on here does, alternatively we could just post them as we find them.
What do you think?
Agreed I've also mentioned this somewhere else too. In fact I've had a vague idea at the back of my mind for a while now, so I'll quickly put together a rough outline of it and post in a day or so. Then see what everyone thinks.
Edit. Didn't work as it was too complicated unfortunately. All I can think of otherwise, if of course it were OK with all the powers that be, is to possibly create a separate mini-forum directly beneath the main "Cobra (Thames Ditton) & 428 Frua Forum" with its own "sticky" listings of cars from CF(X) 1 to 80 ? By sticky I mean all topics and their related postings that remain permanently fixed in place but descend numerically down in order.
All relevant postings/pics etc. therefore going into individual owner's sticky CF/CFX Sub-Forums....
CF 1.
CF 2.
CF 3.
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CF 80.
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Here's more reading materials, This one from Classic and Sportscars November 1986...
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(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198611_Classic_and_Sportscar/p_48_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198611_Classic_and_Sportscar/p_49_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198611_Classic_and_Sportscar/p_50_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198611_Classic_and_Sportscar/p_51_800.jpg)
Original scans in larger sizes are available in this directory:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198611_Classic_and_Sportscar/
Enjoy!
Chuck
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Here are some more reading materials, This one from Car Collector February 1998:..
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(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/199802_Car_Collector/p_42_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/199802_Car_Collector/p_43_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/199802_Car_Collector/p_44_800.jpg)
Original scans in larger sizes are available in this directory:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/199802_Car_Collector/
Enjoy!
Chuck
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Great stuff and thanks Chuck - keep it up !! [8D] I had this mag once too but goodness knows where it is now as I clearly remember feeling strongly and still do that the pic of TNP 866L in the cornfield on page 50 has to be one of the most evocative of all. It just sums it all up for me, the whole 428 experience in one.
Been remembering too since this all started that the only thing personally I never did quite go for was the overall rear window styling. A bit too short in length I always felt with the boot lid seeming to get in the way, and that with a hinge at the top as with many modern hatchbacks, the window could perhaps have been say a third as long again. Making it just that extra bit more stylish plus easier of course to load luggage and so on. Otherwise it's always been just perfect, and incidentally to me far more purposeful and charismatic than the Mistrale which has always looked a bit too fragile somehow.
Wonder what you've got in store next ? [:p]
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Wow another one that was quick haven't read the first one yet! I think I'll leave it all till the morning to be on the safe side ! [:p]
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Originally posted by Classicus
Great stuff and thanks Chuck - keep it up !! [8D] I had this mag once too but goodness knows where it is now as I clearly remember feeling strongly and still do that the pic of TNP 866L in the cornfield on page 50 has to be one of the most evocative of all. It just sums it all up for me, the whole 428 experience in one.
For me it's the Automobile Quarterly Snap of JLH 182K:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/jlh182k_800.jpg)
Only, I prefer the Wire Wheels. Yes, I know that with high performance, Mag's are preferable, but Spokes = Class.
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Originally posted by Classicus
Been remembering too since this all started that the only thing personally I never did quite go for was the overall rear window styling. A bit too short in length I always felt with the boot lid seeming to get in the way, and that with a hinge at the top as with many modern hatchbacks, the window could perhaps have been say a third as long again. Making it just that extra bit more stylish plus easier of course to load luggage and so on. Otherwise it's always been just perfect, and incidentally to me far more purposeful and charismatic than the Mistrale which has always looked a bit too fragile somehow.
You know that doesn't bother me any. If I were to pinpoint a single oversight on the AC 428 [at least most of them] it's the utter lack [again at least on most of them] of side mirrors. I'm not entirely certain where the best location for them would be, or what would the best shape would be, but they would be very helpful and useful things to have.
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Originally posted by Classicus
Wonder what you've got in store next ? [:p]
That would be Throughbred and Classic Cars for September 1983... Coming in the next post...
-- Chuck
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Here is the last installment of the trio of articles I finished scanning today...
From Throroughbred and Classic Cars from September 1983:
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(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198309_Throughbred_and_Classic_Car/p_48_800.jpg)
If you've read the conclusion of this article, you'll note that this is the first part of a two part article. Unfortunately I do NOT have the second part... [:(]
So if anyone has a copy... Consider this a request to scan and post, or if you would consider mailing me the magazine, I'll scan, host and post the article and return the magazine and cover postage each way.
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
P.S. Oh, and as always... Larger sized scans of these pages are available here: http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198309_Throughbred_and_Classic_Car/
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Originally posted by Classicus
Wow another one that was quick haven't read the first one yet! I think I'll leave it all till the morning to be on the safe side ! [:p]
Well... As Britney would sing: "Whoops! I did it again!"...
-- Chuck[:D]
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Very kind of you to do these Chuck; I have the Classic & Sportscar issue somewhere in the attic; saved me searching! Hadn't ever seen the others, cheers!
Best views of a Frua.. difficult, the 3/4 'overtaken' angle is great, also the full profile, the full on front 'view in the mirror' of for example Andy Shepherd's gorgeous red drophead is suitably menacing also!
Paul.[:)]
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Originally posted by runt
Very kind of you to do these Chuck; I have the Classic & Sportscar issue somewhere in the attic; saved me searching! Hadn't ever seen the others, cheers!
Well, if your attic has the second part Paul... I'm beggin'!
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Originally posted by runt
Best views of a Frua.. difficult, the 3/4 'overtaken' angle is great, also the full profile, the full on front 'view in the mirror' of for example Andy Shepherd's gorgeous red drophead is suitably menacing also!
Paul.[:)]
I can't argue with you on that... IT's a gorgeous example of the Roadster.
-- Chuck
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Chuck, I'll try and find that, plus..scanner has gone west; so we need a new one..[:I]
Paul.[:)]
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Hello again everyone,
I recently purchased these off of eBay and I thought I would share them with you all...
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Full Sized versions of these scans are available via this directory:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac_428_convertable_brochure/uk_price_sheet_800.jpg
It seemed to be information of interest...
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
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Very interesting and important archive material as well ! Thanks Chuck ! [8D]
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And what a fantastic car and shot that once again definitely says it all !! However nothing against suburban housing but surely couldn't the photographer have at least stumped up the costs of a trip to Monte Carlo, or at the very minimum found some sweeping Surrey hills or woodland as a more suitable background ? ! [:0]
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Yep, this is the kind of thing I like framed and hung on the garage wall, thanks Chuck.
Paul.[:)]
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Y'all are welcome. I hope to have additional scans next week which should be of interest.
-- Chuck
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This one is pretty self-explanitory...:
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Full sized scan lives here: http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Stand_127/AC_Listing_Full.jpg
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
P.S. For what it's worth, I think there are many better color choices for the Frua than white!
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Here's the last of this weeks scans:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/19670427_Autocar/cover_800.jpg)
It's easy to pick out the Frua if you know what to look for!
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Full Sized originals are located here:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/19670427_Autocar/
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
P.S. The same issue also had a nice write up on the Ford GT program. But I ran out of time to scan that today.
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Great write-up on the 428 and an interesting article! Thanks Chuck goodness knows how you found this one but certainly very nostalgic for me ! [8D]
Really liked the comparison between the 428 and the Sprite. My Sprite I think always in top gear as well definitely felt like a pedal car when I went round Castle Combe circuit in my only attempt at a race ! Second from last and a huge blue haze of burnt oil in the mirror sums it up nicely ! Never knew why it smoked as it was always a very nimble and reliable rally car but at least the old man never found out !
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Great write-up on the 428 and an interesting article! Thanks Chuck goodness knows how you found this one but certainly very nostalgic for me ! [8D]
Oh! It's real easy... I go up on eBay about three times a week and do a worldwide search on "AC Frua", "AC 428" and "AC 428 Frua" and if any magazines, ad's, brochures, or other stuff I don't have that I want, I either bid on or buy outright. Most of the recent stuff has come direct from the UK.
So I guess I probably should call "Dibs" on anything I'm bidding on so that we don't compete against one another and drive the price up, eh?quote:
Originally posted by Classicus
Really liked the comparison between the 428 and the Sprite. My Sprite I think always in top gear as well definitely felt like a pedal car when I went round Castle Combe circuit in my only attempt at a race ! Second from last and a huge blue haze of burnt oil in the mirror sums it up nicely ! Never knew why it smoked as it was always a very nimble and reliable rally car but at least the old man never found out !
I especially liked the photo's of the MGB straining to keep all four tyres on terra firma, and the Triumph Spitfire III exhibiting a case of "Hark the Herald Axle Swings!".
Cheers!
-- Chuck
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So I guess I probably should call "Dibs" on anything I'm bidding on so that we don't compete against one another and drive the price up, eh?
Oh you're perfectly safe there as I refuse to buy anything on EBay these days !! People coming in at the very last second just when you thought it was all yours got too annoying in the end ! Still Dibs it is, if ever [:D]
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.. and the Triumph Spitfire III exhibiting a case of "Hark the Herald Axle Swings!".
Lol never heard that one ! [:p]
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Originally posted by Classicus
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So I guess I probably should call "Dibs" on anything I'm bidding on so that we don't compete against one another and drive the price up, eh?
Oh you're perfectly safe there as I refuse to buy anything on EBay these days !! People coming in at the very last second just when you thought it was all yours got too annoying in the end ! Still Dibs it is, if ever [:D]
I'm one of those snipers, I find it's the only way to play.
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.. and the Triumph Spitfire III exhibiting a case of "Hark the Herald Axle Swings!".
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Originally posted by Classicus
Lol never heard that one ! [:p]
Well, that one I heard from my cousin Roger... He was an MGB GT driver. The summer of 1976 he worked along with me for my Father/Grandfathers's construction company. I would have been 14/15 that summer. Anyway, along the way to the restaurant where we ate lunch there was a used car lot where there was a nice condition Triumph GT6 I had taken a fancy to [seeing where I was already starting to look for potential cars when I got my driver's license the next summer]. Anyway, I mentioned it to him [probably a big mistake because he was an MG driver after all] and he related that the problem with the Triumph's [especially the GT6 and the Spitfire was that the rear suspension was borrowed from an earlier car called the Herald. Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia:
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"The only major criticism was of its rear suspension; the GT6 inherited the swing-axle system from the Spitfire, which in turn was copied from the Herald small saloon. In the saloon it was tolerated, in the little Spitfire it was not liked, and in the powerful GT6 it was heavily criticised. Triumph had done nothing to improve the system for the GT6, and the tendency to break away if the driver lifted off the power mid-corner was not helped at all by the increased weight at the front of the car. The handling was most bitterly criticised in the USA, an important export market for Triumph, where they were traditionally very strong. Similar criticism was being levelled at the Vitesse saloon, which shared both the GT6's engine and its handling problems."
And he said [I can't remember if he was quoting a magazine review [probably] or jibe's from MG owners [possibly] or made it up himself [he was/is a very sharp customer]] that the phrase "Hark The Herald Axle Swings" was a frequent retort with folks commenting on the Triumphs so equipped.
I thought it memorable.
Anyway, I can't remember for the life of me what year the one on the lot was, I want to say it was a 1970, but it could just as easily been a 1971 or 1972[my cousin's MGB GT was a Gray 1972 I believe, the last year with the "pointy" tail lights which he greatly preferred to the later "blocky" lights] It may well have been a late enough model to have an upgraded suspension [which dealt successfully with the issues suffered by the earlier models...
The tail end did look like this snap:
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And not the earlier styling as shown below...
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I did finally convince them to stop one day to take a look at it, and even then [By that time I had probably past my 15th birthday] the small Spitfire sized coupe was really too small for me as I was already nearly 6" tall by then and over 200 lbs. ... A Datsun 240/260/280Z might still have been a decent fit, the MGB GT would probably been tight fit, but the Triumph was already out of the running.
I still think both the MGB GT and the GT6 were handsome coupes. I think I prefer the looks of the 2x0Z Datsuns to either, but they were handsome rides. None are really in the same league as the Frua though. But the Frua was out of my league [at least financially] as a teenager.
-- Chuck
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Thanks as ever Chuck, I have this Autocar in my attic also, and as you say, we may even have been rival bidders on Evil Bay..!
Some wonderful sports cars there, loved Keith Judd's demo of the softer coil/wishbone suspension!
My faves are all here; AC 289 and 428, Aston DB6, 4.2 XKE, Interceptor, Tiger 289, great stuff, when those guys worked it was shirt and tie even in midsummer; gentlemen reporters indeed!
Paul.[:)]
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New Arrival:
1967-1973 AC 428 Data cars in English and in French...
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[I certainly wish they had put the AC logo on the front of the English language card!]
Full sized scans are available via this directory:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac_428_datacards/
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
P.S. More to come soon!
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New Arrival [Second Verse, somewhat different from the first!]:
AC 428 Convertable Brochure [with some Fastback shots included for good measure]...
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac428_convertable/800/cover_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac428_convertable/800/p_2_800.jpg)
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(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac428_convertable/800/p_8_800.jpg)
Full sized scans are available via this directory:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac428_convertable/
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
P.S. Oh, and there is still more to come! -- Chuck
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Thanks for sharing your ever-expanding library with us, Chuck, some very interesting less-seen items here.
Nik.
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Small but interesting point about my 428 brochure and yours is that yours is definitely the first series printed, as it shows on the sixth or so page down the cockpit of probably LPH 800D with the early dashboard layout and manual change. Whilst mine is a second or possibly later series with the revised dashboard layout and automatic change, meaning sometime after CF 48.
Great archive material all round ! [:)]
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/AC428-BrochurePage6.jpg
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac428_convertable/800/p_6_800.jpg
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quote:
Originally posted by Classicus
Small but interesting point about my 428 brochure and yours is that yours is definitely the first series printed, as it shows on the sixth or so page down the cockpit of probably LPH 800D with the early dashboard layout and manual change. Whilst mine is a second or possibly later series with the revised dashboard layout and automatic change, meaning sometime after CF 48.
I knew from a casual glance that my brochure was different from your's Cass, but it's good to know the details.
It occurs to me it might be a good idea to try to get down on paper [Electrons] when certain changes occurred within the production run of the AC 428's... When the T-Handle Automatic selector gave way to the inverted U one, when the instrument cluster was revised. When the aft Fuel Filler "AC" vents were added, etc.
Perhaps that's a new section of the Gentleman's list [or is it already in there somewhere and I've missed it?]?
-- Chuck
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New Arrival:
July 2001 Practical Classics:
On your Marques: The 100-year history of the legendary British car builders AC...
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/200107_practical_classics/800/cover_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/200107_practical_classics/800/toc_1_800.jpg)
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(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/200107_practical_classics/800/p_40_800.jpg)
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(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/200107_practical_classics/800/p_42_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/200107_practical_classics/800/p_43_800.jpg)
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(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/200107_practical_classics/800/p_45_800.jpg)
Scans of various sizes are located via this directory:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/200107_practical_classics/
-- Chuck
P.S. Still more to come! [wiggles eyebrows] -- Chuck
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Thanks Chuck good material ! (Cornering a market has always been a dream of mine too ! [:p] )
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New Arrival:
7 September 1968 Motor Magazine:
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(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/19680907_motor/800/omega_ad_800.jpg)
[when I first opened the magazine upon opening the mail packet, it literally opened to this page. An amazing coincidence!]
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(http:// http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/19680907_motor/800/page_35_800.jpg)
Scans of various sizes are located via this directory:
http:// http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/19680907_motor/
Unfortunately, the magazine fell apart as I was scanning it. Perhaps if there is interest at a later date, I can scan other sections [perhaps portions which include the GT-40 pictured on the cover]
-- Chuck
P.S. Sadly, this post concludes my current holdings of scans. I do have one other item which may be of interest on it's way to me, but it will take some time to get to me. I'll post it when it becomes possible... -- Chuck
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New Arrival:
June 1987 Auto Exklusiv Magazine [in German] article on Pietro Frua:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198706_auto_exklusiv/800/Cover_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198706_auto_exklusiv/800/p_16_800.jpg)
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(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198706_auto_exklusiv/800/p_18_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198706_auto_exklusiv/800/p_19_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198706_auto_exklusiv/800/p_20_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198706_auto_exklusiv/800/p_21_800.jpg)
This is the item I mentioned a week ago today that may be of interest. Sorry it's in German, but perhaps someone will get adventurous with Bablefish and post a translation for us...
Larger scans in a variety of sizes are located here...:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/198706_auto_exklusiv/
-- Chuck
P.S. I also have some other items [new ones too!] on their way to me. Hopefully I'll have something new to post next week too!... -- Chuck
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New Arrival:
"New Bodies for Old"... An article on the works of Pietro Frua:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/new_bodies_for_old/page-01_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/new_bodies_for_old/page-02_800.jpg)
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(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/new_bodies_for_old/page-05_800.jpg)
Unfortunately I have no idea as to which magazine this article was clipped from. Sorry, that was how I bought it...
Larger scans in a variety of sizes are located here...:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/new_bodies_for_old
-- Chuck
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Oooh interesting and very useful Chuck ! [8D] [8D]
It's CF 63 and will look a whole sight better than the garish Technicolour pic on there at the moment ! Another thought, really can't remember clearly seeing the number plate as a plastic strip on the bonnet before at all, but I must say I now really like it as it shows the front end's graceful style off to perfection !! In turn I now realise how much I dislike the old number plate's position as it really detracts from it !
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Originally posted by Classicus
Oooh interesting and very useful Chuck ! [8D] [8D]
It's CF 63 and will look a whole sight better than the garish Technicolour pic on there at the moment !
I'm happy to accomodate and contribute to the cause Cass! BTW, has anyong heard from Runt lately? I can't remember the last time he posted, I hope he's ok and hasn't fainted inside his old magazine attic!quote:
Originally posted by Classicus
Another thought, really can't remember clearly seeing the number plate as a plastic strip on the bonnet before at all, but I must say I now really like it as it shows the front end's graceful style off to perfection !! In turn I now realise how much I dislike the old number plate's position as it really detracts from it !
As much as I would like to keep the radiator inlet free of obstructions for proper and plentiful airflow, I'd never stick ANYTHING on the paint! Rules, regulations, laws bedamned!
I personally would rather accumulate the written warnings for not having a proper front plate displayed.
Incidentally, is that a little chin cover I spy? Perhaps to funnel air to a Transmission cooler?
-- Chuck
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quote:
Incidentally, is that a little chin cover I spy ?
Looks like it....
Re the black stick-on number plate in fact it was quite common practice to have them in the UK back in the Sixties and I still enjoy seeing them today on sports cars from that era. So as it's definitely authentic and very period (see your number plate pics of the Le Mans Coupe BPH 4B as well), I've definitely no problem with them at all. Equally I'm sure there's plenty of ways of protecting the paint these days.... Would it not be allowed in the States ?
Finally I'm left somewhat puzzled by this one. I'm no expert but as it's such a clear picture I'm wondering why Frua didn't extend the grille or mesh itself all the way down to the bottom of the middle opening ? It's not a visible area normally so surely that would have improved perhaps even solved the overheating problems ?
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Originally posted by Classicus
Re the black stick-on number plate in fact it was quite common practice to have them in the UK back in the Sixties and I still enjoy seeing them today on sports cars from that era. So as it's definitely authentic and very period (see your number plate pics of the Le Mans Coupe BPH 4B as well), I've definitely no problem with them at all. Equally I'm sure there's plenty of ways of protecting the paint these days....
You're certainly right. Oh, I have no doubt that it was commonplace back in the day and I'm sure it stirs up fond memories, but I've always had a thing about mussing up the paint. Whenever I am driving and hear a rock hit I always say "let it hit chrome or glass, because I hate paint chips!"
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Originally posted by Classicus
Would it not be allowed in the States ?
Well, in the states only a fraction of the states require front plates. Illinois does, Florida doesn't [most police jurisdictions prefer front and rear plates because they can see you coming or going, and if you do a hit and run there is twice the chance you'll leave an incriminating plate behind in the flotsam and jetsam.
But "Sticker" license plates have never been available/made here in the USA, they've always been made out of stamped metal [originally steel, then galvanized steel as multi-year plates became more the norm [yes, many states issued new plates EVERY year [some still do!], Illinois first "5-year" plates were in service for 8 years, the second "5-year" plates were used for 15 year, we're on our third sets now.]
Now I have a query about UK plates... Is is possible to get "mock" UK plates which look authentic but are merely for display only. I'd love to get a UK plate that read:
"AC 428 F" for example or "AC428CF7" or even "AC 428" just for display or car show purposes.
Is there anyway to create/obtain a mock plate?
quote:
Originally posted by Classicus
Finally I'm left somewhat puzzled by this one. I'm no expert but as it's such a clear picture I'm wondering why Frua didn't extend the grille or mesh itself all the way down to the bottom of the middle opening ? It's not a visible area normally so surely that would have improved perhaps even solved the overheating problems ?
I don't know on that one either, Cass, Sorry!
-- Chuck
P.S. I'll try to post another article today or tomorrow!
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Finally I'm left somewhat puzzled by this one. I'm no expert but as it's such a clear picture I'm wondering why Frua didn't extend the grille or mesh itself all the way down to the bottom of the middle opening ? It's not a visible area normally so surely that would have improved perhaps even solved the overheating problems ?
Two rough photo manipulations ref the idea of larger opening areas below the front bumper that might reduce overheating ? With a chromed crinkly close wire mesh covering the same as on the latest Bentleys.... !! I kinda go for the second pic too - cool...[8D]
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF63b.jpg)
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New Arrival:
"The AC 428: Sophisticated big brother to the Cobra..."
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac_428_big_brother/page-01_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac_428_big_brother/page-02_800.jpg)
Unfortunately I have no idea as to which magazine this article was clipped from [but it was probably from the same magazine as the previous couple of scanned articles I've posted]. Sorry, that was how I bought it...
The good news [from my viewpoint] is that it has a rather nice three-quarter's rear shot of UPG 428F [CF 7] which now resides in my Garage...
Larger scans in a variety of sizes are located here...:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/ac_428_big_brother/
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
P.S. Sorry but this exhausts the articles I have on hand. I continue to look for more, but until I do, this will have to hold us for a while. -- Chuck
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New Arrival:
"AC 428: Modified: Fast and Furious:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/200706_classics_monthly/scan-01_800.jpg)
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(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/200706_classics_monthly/scan-07_800.jpg)
Larger scans in a variety of sizes are located here...:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/200706_classics_monthly/
I have to say, I got the biggest kick out of reading this article... I'm more of a Purist when it comes to the AC 428... Try to keep them as original as possible, upgrades as necessary for drivability or if originals aren't available. But it's GREAT to know what a C6 Automatic coupe is capable of. Now we have some baseline information on a highly modified AC 428.
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
P.S. Sorry but this once again exhausts the articles I have on hand. I continue to look for more, but until I do, this will have to hold us for a while. -- Chuck
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Another week on eBay, another New Arrival:
AUTOCAR 16 October 1969 Advertizement:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/19691016_autocar_ad/19691016_autocar_ad_800.jpg)
Larger scans in a variety of sizes are located here...:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/19691016_autocar_ad/
An interesting data point for Classicus is the License plate on this Fastback [ UPG 428H ] which is a mere two letters from the original License plate on my CF 7 [ UPG 428F ] which was the factory press car. Perhaps this is a picture of CF 8 or CF 10 [just guessing...]?
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
P.S. Sorry but this once again exhausts the articles/advertisements I have on hand. I continue to look for more. eMail your favorite eBay sellers and crack the whip!!! -- Chuck
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T'is interesting and a very nice collection you're starting to build up too ! I checked up on the official geographic area letter codes that used to be used at the time and it seems they altered the system from September 2001 on, so referring to the URL below it's the second column about halfway down that would relate to all 428 earlier registrations.
http://www.kingkong.demon.co.uk/where/gb.htm
Only guessing as well but given they are two almost identical number/ registration plates - as separate and quite distinct from paper licence discs that had and still have to be displayed on the windscreen - barring the last year letter, all I can think of is that someone in Thames Ditton had a good eye for publicity plus a sense of humour ! Anyway as it was always the last two letters at the beginning that referred at the time, so "PG" would have been the code used by the old Guildford Motor Vehicle Licensing office (or whatever they used to be called), i.e. the nearest licensing office to Thames Ditton.
As to which chassis number it is or was on no idea unfortunately, hopefully all will be revealed one day I hope on a replacement Register ?
Paul/ Cass [:)]
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Received the following via email tonight:
On Mar 13, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Keith Lessiter wrote:
Hi Chuck.
Scanning through a few old boxes last night, Came across these little gems
and thought you and the ACOC Forum might appreciate the following two
previews of AC428s from / at the 1967 & 1968 "Earls Court" London Motor
Shows.
Very Expensive cars at the time, But now £ or $ they are great value , An
AC making a Statement with real attitude!
Having trouble posting on the Forum, Maybe you could do the honours,
Sorry to be so cheeky.
Enjoy!!
Keith
BEX333 (AC Ace Bristol)
The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments:
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/courtesy_keith_lessiter/AC428_Daily_Mail_Motor_preview_1967.jpg)
AC428 Daily Mail Motor Preview 1967
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AC 428 Daily Express Motor Show Preview 1968
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My sincere thanks to Keith for sending me these scans and granting me permission to post them on his behalf!
-- Chuck
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Chuck
Many thanks for posting the 1967 /1968 London Motor Show data on my behalf. much appreciated.
Must learn to use the Bucket. So to speak. thanks once again.
Keith
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Originally posted by AC Ace Bristol
Chuck
Many thanks for posting the 1967 /1968 London Motor Show data on my behalf. much appreciated.
Must learn to use the Bucket. So to speak. thanks once again.
Keith
My pleasure Keith. I took the liberty of straightening them and tweaking the brightness and congrast settings a little bit. Also corrected a little bit of the "Sepia-ing" of the paper in the topmost one.
Enjoy!
-- Chuck
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Originally posted by cmaddox3...An interesting data point for Classicus is the License plate on this Fastback [ UPG 428H ] which is a mere two letters from the original License plate on my CF 7 [ UPG 428F ] which was the factory press car....Chuck
For those not too familiar with the UK registration number (license plate) system, 'F' refers to vehicles registered from 8/67 - 7/68 and 'H' from 8/69 - 7/70...not neccesarily related to date of manufacture!
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Thanks for these Chuck, Toni Valenti's car is sensational, interesting how the 0-100 time is four sec quicker than the 'stock' version, I wonder what kind of power/torque its making, great to see a different angle on a beautiful classic.
Paul.[:)]
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I think the main problem these cars have with doing fast 0-60 and 0-100 times are 3 folds:
1) Most important is tire size, lack of traction. Tires are ridiculously skinny. No matter how much power you have, if you can't apply it to the road, it's useless. Toni Valenti's car uses very wide Pin drive Halibrand Cobra wheels, 335 at the rear. This is a lot of meat on the ground! not much spinning there.
2) Rear end ratio. The Frua is geared very long from the factory, 2.88 for the auto-box version and 3.08 for the 4 speed model. Gearing it down for racing to let say 3.54 of shorter will increase acceleration substantially.
3) Although Toni's car is still using the C6 box, a 4 or 5 speed transmission will also increase acceleration. However, with a very short rear end the difference is reduced.
With proper tire quality, size and gearing the Frua can easily be made to accelerate as about as quick as a Cobra, the longer wheelbase will also help. The car is still quite light compared to US muscle cars.
Emmanuel[:)]
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Hi Emmanuel, points noted, was just thinking though that those heads,cam, blueprinting must 'warm up' the 428 FE; be interested in your 'guestimate' of power output here, as I know youre well up on these engines, didn't notice which axle ratio Tony is using, as to.. grip, I wanted SO MUCH to use 15" wheel/tyre on my 'k*t car'[:I]; but went for the 16" so I could fit the Toyo (to avoid my car becoming a widowmaker), glad I did.. I may be a dinosaur in many ways, but modern tyres are amazing.
Paul.[:)]
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Well Paul, in my humble opinion, a well set up 428 can easily be right up in the mid to high 400HP range. Torque can be easily above 500Lbs with the proper cam. Above that, reliability will be seriously compromised unless the block is heavily modified (oil passages will have to be drilled and cross bolting should be added). Since Toni races the car, with the big tires, my guess is a very short rear end, probably even higher than 3.54! When I install my new "big" motor, I will do away with the wire wheels and go to pin drive halibrands as well. Probably 16" or 17" for tire reasons. [:)]
regards,
Emmanuel
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That's going to be very special Emmanuel,the Halibrands look wonderful on all these cars, wise move re; tyres.
The ability of CF 7 with auto tanny and 2.88 diff to reach the 'ton' in fourteen is I think a great credit to the lugging power of the stock 428 motor,incidentally looking at the 'headers' on Toni's car; are those stock 428 Frua item,looking at my road tests of CF 7 I can't be sure (and my close vision is rubbish these days!)
Paul.[:)]
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Here is my car as currently setup with the 428!
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q271/Emmanueld_2007/IMG_0008.jpg)
The new set up will be similar except single belt because of the big 427 balancer! Aviaid 10 Quarts aluminum baffled oil pan, the intake will not be polished but raw aluminum and the valve covers will be original aluminum Cobra 427 (Very Rare). Headers are shorties, because there is no room for full size. It should look nice.
Emmanuel[:)]
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What we're already seeing looks nice! I see now what you mean re: headers, same as Tony's car,thanks for the pic!
Paul.[:)]
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Hi everyone...
Sorry for my extended absence. Been very busy with other activities.
I received this AC 428 Publicity Still from an eBay purchase a couple of weeks back, and just got around to scanning it in, thought I would post it for everyone.
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Publicity_Still/No.3-2_PubStill_800.jpg)
(http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Publicity_Still/No.3-2_PubStill_back_800.jpg)
I don't have any further information about this still or it's history. As usual, I've posted higher resolution versions of these scans in an easy to find location:
http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/motorin/frua/Publicity_Still/
I hope everyone is doing well!
Cheers!
-- Chuck