AC Owners Club Forum
AC Owners Club Forum => Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum => Topic started by: R Warlop on June 06, 2016, 22:23:47
-
I haven't called - but it seems like a live ad on Hemmings:
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/ac/greyhound
I reckon it's the first one to come on the market in 2016 - it's been very quiet so far / why would one sell such artful metal anyway?
-
You can see the car on Auctions America website
It's a bit of a mystery at the moment as the chassis plate is missing. It.
It may have been converted to LHD, trying to find out more
Guide price is $14-18
John
-
What a big project...must be one of the cheapest ones ever on the market
-
I believe this auction has now ended. Sold for $50,000 USD incl. commission.
-
quote:
Originally posted by R Warlop
What a big project...must be one of the cheapest ones ever on the market
Not any more! The $14-18k guide was an 'attention getter', not a realistic price for a decent car, OR was it indicative of the condition underneath? Either way, at a hammer price of $45k, it was not economically viable to bring back to the UK for restoration, especially wit the post-Brexit exchange rates![:(]
-
Based on a communication I had with the buyer of this Greyhound on the "Bring A Trailer" web site that he posted on (this Greyhound was featured there), I suggested he join the ACOC for any information he may glean from the postings here and potential help from other members on help with his new purchase. He wrote that he had joined the ACOC. Perhaps we will see some postings from him on the forum.
-
BBK,
Thanks for your help. Excited to be here. The car is in transit from California. I'm on the east coast. I haven't laid eyes on it yet. I have to confess I didn't know anything about the greyhound before I saw the listing and fell in love with the lines and the AC heritage. Im a big AC cobra fan and the idea of owning an original hand built superleggara from AC plus the rarity was what sold me.
as it sits now it has an 80s mustang 302 and t-5 5 speed transmission. It sounds like it needs new brakes now. I'm told the dash is all there and in decent shape, the seats sound as though they've been recovered in vinyl, although I'm told it was "well done". Right passenger glass is cracked.
My plan is to see it and get it roadworthy and safe. Enjoy it for a bit, and then think about what to do. I know there are three diff motors that would be correct, and I know it needs paint. All that is down the road. I paid through the top of what I wanted cause I just couldn't let it get away. The v8 power plant isn't too crazy to this non-purist given some of its "cousins" so for now I'm going to drive and enjoy a little bit.
Once I get the car i''ll try to find some more info - I'd love to get its history. It's a left hand drive, which I'm told is pretty unusual. Maybe it was a bad conversion? I really don't know. Looking forward to learning more from you all.
Best
Mark
-
Hi Mark, welcome along, (and sorry for the delay in replying! )
Congratulations on your purchase, has it arrived yet?
There is a lot of poor information online about the Greyhound, but here is where you will find the most knowledgeable and helpful owners, enthusiasts & experts, many with hands-on experience.
There is a good chance your car is an original LHD model(despite various internet sources suggesting only 2 or 3 built, there are 15 'Hounds recorded as LHD), and having scanned the registry I have narrowed it down to a couple of likely candidates, but hopefully you will find a chassis number which can confirm this (if the second letter is an 'X', that's pretty definitive).
Apart from the glovebox, the dash looks pretty decent, the lower section where it curves around the steering column seems to match the top, but it is hard to tell from just the auction photos!
Well, fingers crossed that once you get underneath, your recommissioning is relatively painless, it should be quite an entertaining drive with the 302!
Those of us who have skinned our knuckles under AC's most undeservedly under-rated car are here to help! [8D]
All the best, Nik.
-
Hi Motor heads,
My name is Blair, and I will be doing a bunch of the wrench work on Marks Greyhound. We were able to do an initial assessment of the car. The chassis is in pretty solid shape, a few place where a few patches will need to be made, but over all very solid. The car has made its first trip around the neighborhood at very low speeds. The master cylinder seals failed, we found a few girling units online and are waiting for them to come in. PowerTrack supplied new front pads and new rear brake cylinders. We are currently looking for a new set of rear shoes, if anyone has a lead on parts that would be a huge help. The passenger window is indeed cracked and we are looking for that as well. We were only given 1 key for the ignition which unfortunately is not working for the doors nor truck. Mark is itching to get in there. I pulled the door panel apart and will take the lock to a locksmith to have a key made. The 302 is very stock, and we have had a brief conversation about swapping in era correct parts (Ford 260) but that's way down the road. Does anyone have a parts interchange they would be willing to share? All of the repairs and services I do on the car will be recorded and will post links so other people can navigate around their car a bit easier. I spoke with Mike Gassman who has told me he cant find rear drums and is going to have them custom made. Does anyone have a source before he goes down that rabbit hole? If not lets get a group together and get a run of them made. That's it for now, Happy Motoring, Blair
-
Hi Blair, Typecast Engineering Ltd. in the UK (web: http://www.brakedrum.co.uk/; ph: +44 (0) 1455 822440; email: admin@brakedrum.co.uk) makes brake drums for a large number of cars including AC Ace and Greyhound. The stud hole pattern in the Greyhound has a bigger diameter than the Ace but otherwise the drum is essentially the same. I had proper autocad drawings done of my original Greyhound drum, sent them over and they made a pair for me, but I was also going to 15" rims so we designed in the reduction of the outer fins to accommodate this. Not inexpensive: they are 390 GBP each and "a run" won't drop this price. Long lead time as well: they are about 14 weeks before delivery. I don't believe I ever saw another post here mention them, so I would be curious if any other members have dealt with them for their Ace and have an opinion as to performance/quality.
-
Blair,
Crossthwaite and Gardner still list the Wellworthy Alfin drum. On the G'hound, if on 15" wheels, the outer two, sometimes 3 fins need turning to reduce in height. Their part number AC100 is for the Ace/Aceca and the G'hound rear hub mounting PCD is larger and has larger mounting holes. However there is enough room between the Ace holes to machine the 6 holes for the G'hound. This was common practice at Thames Ditton if they were short of one type or the other:
http://www.crosthwaiteandgardiner.com/parts/ac-parts-list
You could ask C & G if they would supply drums undrilled or even ask them to copy a G'hound drum.
Warning - If you go anywhere near the hub interior remember G'hound rear hubs are handed on the threads for the locking ring D63240-1 and locking nut D63024-5 (as in all A.C. part numbers if you see an oblique or an hyphen with another sequential number following it means there are two parts one left and one right.) The hub on the port side should be the one with LH threads, but they can be built into the wrong side .....
-
quote:
Originally posted by BEX298
Hi Blair, Typecast Engineering Ltd. in the UK (web: http://www.brakedrum.co.uk/; ph: +44 (0) 1455 822440; email: admin@brakedrum.co.uk) makes brake drums for a large number of cars including AC Ace and Greyhound. The stud hole pattern in the Greyhound has a bigger diameter than the Ace but otherwise the drum is essentially the same. I had proper autocad drawings done of my original Greyhound drum, sent them over and they made a pair for me, but I was also going to 15" rims so we designed in the reduction of the outer fins to accommodate this. Not inexpensive: they are 390 GBP each and "a run" won't drop this price. Long lead time as well: they are about 14 weeks before delivery. I don't believe I ever saw another post here mention them, so I would be curious if any other members have dealt with them for their Ace and have an opinion as to performance/quality.
I am currently in the middle of the 14 weeks production time for two Aceca rear drums. When I get them I can post pictures of them.
-
New Brake Drums can be obtained from Gerry Hawkridge ' Hawk Cars' who should have them in stock for the Ace/Aceca.
Typecast do not use the 'Alfin' process as was used by Wellworthy , this is a very exacting manufacturing process which bonds the iron liners to the aluminium casing, I am not aware of any manufacturer of brake drums in the UK who uses this process!
Robin
-
John Goose's Greyhound Interchangeable Parts List is on the site in the Members' Area with a lot of other excellent info supplied by John and others:
Members' Area -> Model Directory -> Greyhound -> Articles
Assuming Mark is an ACOC member, he will have access to all this.
-
Nik,
Would love your thoughts on what car this is. I have done some research but no luck.
It has a "southern Oregon vintage racing enthusiast" sticker on it, which is a club in Oregon. I reached out to them and they had no knowledge of the car when they asked a few of the British car nuts...surprising given the rarity. I've contacted the museum that owned the car a time or two and nothing back.
I haven't found any numbers on the car yet.
Would love any intel you may be able to provide.
Hoping to get her on the road soon.
Best
Mark
-
Hi Motorheads,
Thank you all for the replies, sorry for my delayed response I was out of the country. I really appreciate all of the assistance in sourcing parts! I will keep you posted on our results!
Happy Motoring,
Blair
-
Hi Mark.
I`m trying to establish locations on the chassis that might have a number stamped, will get back to you when I have done, but if you look in the Greyhound Register, there were only 4 LHD cars listed as exported to the US ex-factory, and only 6 showing as currently (2009!) in the USA, with one listed as being a "BEF" chassis number, but LHD.
One is listed as being Green, with Grey interior, in the US, but it is a "BEF" chassis number with no mention of it being LHD.
Best of luck getting her on the road,Post PHOTOS (http://"http://www.acownersclub.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2560") please!!!
Nik.
-
Hi Mark,
I own BEF2545 which has been completely apart and is now going back together. It is the car with Mike Engaard at Ragtops. We found the chassis number in the following places:
(1) On chassis itself, top of front shocktower on right side - on the lip closest to the engine (might be on left side if LHD car) - full number BEF2545.
(2) Stamped on the wood frame in the rear trunk lid (I believe number only, e.g., 2545).
(3) Hinge in hood (bonnet for you in UK) between bolt holes - number only.
(4) In pencil on the back of at least two of the door cards and other trimmed interior components - number only.
As an update to the above conversation about brake drums, I was speaking with Crossthwaite and Gardner (I know them pretty well from other projects) and they manufacture the drums but don't sell them directly - you need to contact Mr. (Mark?) Finburgh of Classic Autos of King's Langley for purchase for Ace (01923 262994). Apparently,they are now out of stock at C&G but Finburgh may have some Ace drums on the shelf. However, since they are OOS, C&G will soon be making a run of Ace drums. If you want these but with the Greyhound PCD or undrilled, then contact Finburgh and maybe he can run some with the others. As stated above, no one uses pure Alfin process to manufacture the drums.
-
Thank you for that lead, I will be sure to give them a ring. I was talking with the Glassman who just restored a greyhound and was telling me about the hefty price for them! I really appreciate the info!
quote:
Originally posted by B.P.Bird
Blair,
Crossthwaite and Gardner still list the Wellworthy Alfin drum. On the G'hound, if on 15" wheels, the outer two, sometimes 3 fins need turning to reduce in height. Their part number AC100 is for the Ace/Aceca and the G'hound rear hub mounting PCD is larger and has larger mounting holes. However there is enough room between the Ace holes to machine the 6 holes for the G'hound. This was common practice at Thames Ditton if they were short of one type or the other:
http://www.crosthwaiteandgardiner.com/parts/ac-parts-list
You could ask C & G if they would supply drums undrilled or even ask them to copy a G'hound drum.
Warning - If you go anywhere near the hub interior remember G'hound rear hubs are handed on the threads for the locking ring D63240-1 and locking nut D63024-5 (as in all A.C. part numbers if you see an oblique or an hyphen with another sequential number following it means there are two parts one left and one right.) The hub on the port side should be the one with LH threads, but they can be built into the wrong side .....
-
Thank you for this, Mark sent it over. We will be adding bearings as we had a failure of a wheel seal and the spindle and bearings have rusted. The spindle is salvageable and part numbers are clearly on the bearings. Wish I could say the same for the wheel seal! Any chance you might have one?
quote:
Originally posted by Teamdeck
Nik,
Would love your thoughts on what car this is. I have done some research but no luck.
It has a "southern Oregon vintage racing enthusiast" sticker on it, which is a club in Oregon. I reached out to them and they had no knowledge of the car when they asked a few of the British car nuts...surprising given the rarity. I've contacted the museum that owned the car a time or two and nothing back.
I haven't found any numbers on the car yet.
Would love any intel you may be able to provide.
Hoping to get her on the road soon.
Best
Mark
-
Thanks for that Info! Do you know the Front Wheel Seal part interchanges? We have the driver side inner door panel off. Next time I am at the car I will be sure to check those 4 places. Although we do not have keys for the doors or trunk! Working on that this week!
quote:
Originally posted by RevitAuto
Thank you for that lead, I will be sure to give them a ring. I was talking with the Glassman who just restored a greyhound and was telling me about the hefty price for them! I really appreciate the info!
quote:
Originally posted by B.P.Bird
Blair,
Crossthwaite and Gardner still list the Wellworthy Alfin drum. On the G'hound, if on 15" wheels, the outer two, sometimes 3 fins need turning to reduce in height. Their part number AC100 is for the Ace/Aceca and the G'hound rear hub mounting PCD is larger and has larger mounting holes. However there is enough room between the Ace holes to machine the 6 holes for the G'hound. This was common practice at Thames Ditton if they were short of one type or the other:
http://www.crosthwaiteandgardiner.com/parts/ac-parts-list
You could ask C & G if they would supply drums undrilled or even ask them to copy a G'hound drum.
Warning - If you go anywhere near the hub interior remember G'hound rear hubs are handed on the threads for the locking ring D63240-1 and locking nut D63024-5 (as in all A.C. part numbers if you see an oblique or an hyphen with another sequential number following it means there are two parts one left and one right.) The hub on the port side should be the one with LH threads, but they can be built into the wrong side .....
-
Blair, Do you have the G'hound 'General Insructions' as there are some very helpful diagrams and part numbers therein. Reprints available from The Club I believe. As it happens the seal you refer to is only listed by A.C. part number D63512. However in many cases you will find a suppliers part number. As I remember it the seal was an Alford and Adler part, like the rest of the front 'Vertical Link' anyway many years ago now, but I think it is possibly the same part on a TR2/3 which of course also used the same Vertical Link.
-
Hub Seal is Burtonwood 150-250-85
Robin
-
Hey Robin,
Thank for a partnumber, any idea where I can purchase Burtonwood components? Google and parts retailers were not much help.
quote:
Originally posted by Robin A Woolmer
Hub Seal is Burtonwood 150-250-85
Robin
-
I do not have the General Instructions, But I will get Mark to pass those along. Last time we worked on the car I went into the members section and saw some of the part numbers that were originally from A.C. I had no luck finding cross referencing those. I am going to do some disassembly tomorrow take some measurements and compare. I will confirm our findings. Thank you again for your help!
quote:
Originally posted by B.P.Bird
Blair, Do you have the G'hound 'General Insructions' as there are some very helpful diagrams and part numbers therein. Reprints available from The Club I believe. As it happens the seal you refer to is only listed by A.C. part number D63512. However in many cases you will find a suppliers part number. As I remember it the seal was an Alford and Adler part, like the rest of the front 'Vertical Link' anyway many years ago now, but I think it is possibly the same part on a TR2/3 which of course also used the same Vertical Link.
-
I have tried to find a cross reference for the Burtonwood seal (burtonwood were sold in 1959) so assume are not now trading Unfortunately there is not cross reference, I expect it is a 1.5" Shaft,2.5" housing & 0.85" wide, the width is much greater than similar imperial seals available now which appear to have a maximum width of 0.5"
We do not know either what type of seal it is ,so unfortunately you will need to dismantle the part & measure the size & type of seal then look at manufacturers data to find a suitable seal!
Robin
-
Hey Gang,
Sorry for the delayed response.The Hoon had its first drive around the block this week! Very exciting stuff, especially with the v8 pulling it around.
If someone could please add these parts to the parts interchange.
Napa Autoparts Oil Seal 15160. This is for the Hub Seal. Purchased from Napa Autoparts
Timken 1997x-20024 Front Hub Bearing Purchased from Dalton Bearings_ Summit Racing has these also
Timken 09067-20024 Front Hub Bearing Purchased from Dalton Bearings_Summit Racing has these also
Girling Master Cylinder, Small Reservoir - 0.62 inch Bore Purchased from Pegasus racing online Part Number 3500-.62
Rear Brake Line Part Number 813-1203 This connects the braided line to the rear wheel cylinder. It is 12 inches long and requires one adapter G60693-0303, This comes with the fittings on the line already that will work with the wheel cylinder. We Purchased ours from power track LTD
Purchased from Napa Auto Parts.
Happy Motoring Guys!
Blair
-
Thank you so much Blair. Will do.
So pleased you are happy with the Hoon, a Greyhound with a V8 is a wonderful thing
I wonder if you have found any sign of Chassis Number yet ?
As I've explained, BEF 2563 would fit except that it is/was right hand drive and you are are left
Are there any signs of a change in drive ?
I look forward to hearing how you progress
Good luck
John
-
Hey John,
I was not able to find any chassis numbers yet. I wish I had another car to compare it to in order to know what is original and not. I did find a piece of the frame section that holds in the master cylinders to be cut from the now passenger side. (If that makes any sense to you) The rest of the paneling that is riveted on covers additional signs, and peeling back all the carpet proved to be more difficult with the amount of glue sprayed.
I am just starting to get into the rats nest of the wiring under the dash, is there any way you could take a photo of the dash and label what each switch is supposed to do. It would save me huge amounts of time! Also the key that starts the motor does not open any of the doors, is this a common thing? I am trying to find a proper locksmith!
Happy Motoring,
Blair
-
Thank you Blair
From what you write, you may have found the remains of the pedal box and master cylinder frame on what is now your passenger side ?
If so it could indeed be 2563 converted to left hand
From one of your pics the dash board looks like solid wood rather than veneered. All the Greyhound wood dashboards I've seen have been veneered
If you could let me have your e-mail address I will send pictures of the instruments and the pedal box area - and anything else you would like
Best wishes
johngoose@btinternet.com
-
There's a key to the instrument panel layout in the Autocar and Motor Road Tests:
Members' Area -> Model Directory -> Greyhound -> Articles
-
Hey John,
My email address is Blair@RevitAuto.com
If there is anyone who has a lead on car locks and ignition switches I would be happy to talk with you. We have finally opened the trunk, and were successful with finding a suitable key. Luckily Pete Groh over at British Car Keys lent me every FP style key possible (76) and I tried them all till one worked.
Also in need of a new ignition switch and both door lock tumblers as they have just been ruined with age of no use.
Happy Motoring,
Blair