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AC Owners Club Forum => 428 Frua Forum => Topic started by: cliffordl on November 17, 2014, 10:52:07
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My engine and gear box are still away for rebuild so I took the opportunity to fit new grilles (as available from the Club or Rimmer Bros - as they are the same as the Triumph Herald). What a pain! To get to the grilles the radiator has to come out and the bumpers come off (therefore including inner arches to the front wings and the bumper bars themselves. Wierdly you place the grille before the bumper bar mounts then you have to tighten the bumper mounts from the inside with the grilles right in the way - it's fiddly and I found that two nuts (one out of the three on each side) had been left off due to the inaccessibility.
This poking around lead me on to the front badge. I've always worried that it was slightly loose so decided to investigate. The badge is held in place with the usual AC tiny nuts and little tabs of metal. Once off it's clear that the badge is made up from three parts - the AC symbol, the red painted backing plaque (with a small soldered-on pin to the base) and the chromed surround.
I have noted several cars to be lacking this badge with the aperture sealed up. My question is this:
Would anyone be interested in replacement badges?
Whilst it's off the car I'm happy to use it as the model from which copies can be made. I've made some enquiries of local foundries etc and await their reply. Obviously cost will be an issue - I did consider 3D printing but suspect that it will not work for the surround.
C.
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Hi Cliffordl ,
Good news , I was looking to find someway to make new grilles.
Do the have that at the club?
I want to bay a replacement badge If you consider to let fabricate a 3d Copy .
Gr Siegfried
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Plus some sort of locking mechanism in case of badge thieves....?
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Siegfried - yes the club have the grilles in stock (I know for sure as they formed part of the haul from the old Frua factory that I brought back from Germany).
I have two local firms interested. Will reply with confirmed costings but based on photos it looks like around £150 or so per set including the surround.
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Hi cliffordl?
I am more than interested to by the grilles .
You can send a set ?
Gr Siegfried
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Hi Siegfried, yes I have a box of grilles in my workshop which are owned by the Club. They sell for 30 pounds for a pair, (plus 6 pounds carriage). The Club can take a sterling bank transfer, or process payment via Paypal. If you can tell me which you prefer, we can send a set to you. You can send me a private message if that helps. Best regards, Andy.
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Hi Clifford,
I want to bay a (original )replacement front badge If you consider fabricate a 3d Copy .
Gr Siegfried
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Seigfried, The badge is with the tool shop. I should have a prototype to check by the end of this month and then will place an order based on requests and whatever the club wants.
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Originally posted by shep
Hi Clifford, That is a great idea. I asked Clive Bowyer to have some produced, and he ended up making 3 pre-ordered sets by hand. Even at the price we charged which I think was about £150 each, poor Clive made a loss, and spent hours of soldering and fettling. If you could come up with an economic price and sensible delivery I would guess there is a market for 10+ sets. See what you can find out! Thanks, Andy.
Knock me down for a new front badge if this comes to pass. Just for insurance, in case the need arises.
Jeff
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(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb29/clifford_039/L1100242.jpg)
New badge made to a very high standard - outer ring is now solid. Inner backing will be enamelled red (but could be done bespoke to match a cars' bodywork).
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Excellent craftmanship and detail well done Cliff ! [8D] Thinking of badge thieves and ease of removal generally how would they be mounted....?
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Excellent result cliff, wen do i get one?
regards,
Siegfried
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(http://s206.photobucket.com/user/clifford_039/media/L1100245.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3)
Here's the back - new and old. The two outer threads connect to a thin metal bar that bolts down to hold it in place against the inner bodywork (as mentioned earlier tricky to get to but should be possible with the radiator removed).
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb29/clifford_039/L1100251.jpg)
Is the inner badge the same as the Mk4 boot badge? This is available seperately.
I paid approx. £200 for the modelling and £170 for the finished badge.
Assuming that we bulk order - Pricing as follows;
10 complete badges at £170 each
10 AC badges at £65 each.
All plus VAT.
I'll need to hear from Andy whether the Club will get involved as I assume that individual orders will be more expensive.
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Let's try again
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb29/clifford_039/L1100245.jpg)
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Looks great! I would like to order one complete badge set. Please let me know how to procede.
Thanks,
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Any news about the badge????
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(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb29/clifford_039/L1100251.jpg)
The AC 3000ME wheel centre and door badges are similar to this too. On that model the badge is located by two offset 'prongs' on the back. The badge is backed by a separate 1.9inch dia black disc to provide the colour contrast. There are 6 badges per car.
The 3000ME badge was made by Fattorini. A drawing number D-67365 is shown for the part in the 3000ME listing. As 3000ME drawing numbers generally start with an 8------, this could be an AC Cars number from an earlier model (Frua?), or a Fattorini number.
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I'll try again. Is it possible to purchase a complete nose badge or not?
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I was waiting to see how many were wanted before placing an order. Great Dane - so far you are the only person wanting one.
The cost price for one is likely to be around £200. Email me directly and I'll let you have the contact details for the tooling shop.
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Hi Clifff,
Any news about the badge?
Rgds Siegfried
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Siegfreid, only you and Great Dane showed any interest. I gave him the details of the maher and he did contact them (as they seemed unclear as where they had put the moulds) - I'm not sure if he got his badge though.
C.
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Hi Cliff
This is not a pleasant story.
If it is still possible to obtain the print I can try to let it casting it in Belgium.
S
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Originally posted by siegfried
Hi Cliff
This is not a pleasant story.
If it is still possible to obtain the print I can try to let it casting it in Belgium.
S
Do try the 3000ME badge first - see post above.
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Tanks John ,
I try Fatorrini
Rgts Siegfried
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I got two complete badges from the Company. They could not find the mould for the outer ring, so i had to send them an original to copy.
Regards, Peder
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I spoke to them yesterday. The company is CollierWebb in Eastbourne. They do recall making the badges for Peder and i so hopefully can now find the moulds.
www.collierwebb.com
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Bought this one last week via a internet platform ( not Ebay) for 30 GBP. Don't know how to turn it. [:)]
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/crendon_2006/AC-Badge_zpsecxmw4p8.jpg) (http://s74.photobucket.com/user/crendon_2006/media/AC-Badge_zpsecxmw4p8.jpg.html)
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(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/AC-Badge_zpsirulzmrg.jpg) (http://"http://s134.photobucket.com/user/nikbj68/media/AC-Badge_zpsirulzmrg.jpg.html")
Looks fine to me! [;)]
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Both Badges whether Southern or Northern Hemisphere, look very good.
Would have thought ACOC members would jump at the chance to secure quality reproduction badges that differ only in the way they secure to their AC.
Hopefully the response is good with deposits paid up front and your venture produces quicker results than the 183 Fuel Filler cap saga of a few years back.
Good Luck with the venture.[;)]
Keith
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So i will keep the southern one, thanks Nick [:)]
The speed nuts on the pins are brand new and the rubber layer on them has never seen pressure.
The badge was sold by a Lady from the UK. Later during the conversation she told me that her husband probably was involved in building the frame of my car at AC Autokraft.
Small (AC and AC Autokraft) world...
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Hi Clifford
The restoration of the frua is approaching the end
I still need the badge (with cross) please can you help)
My phone 0032(0)477264722
Many thanks
Siegfried De Buck
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See AC 3000ME post above.
As far as I can tell the AC 428 and AC3000ME badges were made to the same Fattorini drawing. The 3000ME has at least 6 badges of this size fitted - 1 on each wheel centre and 1 on each door.
The ACOC's AC 3000ME spares coordinator may have some available.
Good luck!
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Hi All, I wonder where we got to on this topic. I know there is a requirement for 2 or 3 428 Frua nose badges, and I am sure the Club would invest if the price was right and they were not commercially available elsewhere. Sorry for being so late! Andy