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AC Owners Club Forum => Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum => Topic started by: 100 IAN on April 27, 2012, 09:32:48
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Does anyone have any knowledge of the whereabouts and current owner of '66 Cobra, chassis number COB 6054 which was originally UK registered JGF 272D?
The car's 1st owner was my wife's uncle who recently died. We now have some original photo's of the car when in his ownership which the current owner may be interested in copies of.
A google search gives a Belgium website showing pictures of the car at old timers meeting at the Nurburgring in 2010 i believe. One of the pictures shows its original UK registration number but doing a vehicle check for that number plate does not find anything, so very likely that it has been exported and is now residing in Europe somewhere.
http://www.cobracars.be/cob%206054
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Last known info (?) shows it as of 2002 still in the ownership of Otto Reedtze-Thote in Denmark. He brought it from the Rothschild family in 1978 who in turn brought it from the first owner. When purchased it was converted from right to left-hand drive by Brian Angliss (which in the minds of some people must mean it was re-chassied and re-bodied! :) However, in the real world, it sounds like it's still a lovely original car!!
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Originally posted by 100 IAN
Does anyone have any knowledge of the whereabouts and current owner of '66 Cobra, chassis number COB 6054 which was originally UK registered JGF 272D?
The car's 1st owner was my wife's uncle who recently died. We now have some original photo's of the car when in his ownership which the current owner may be interested in copies of.
A google search gives a Belgium website showing pictures of the car at old timers meeting at the Nurburgring in 2010 i believe. One of the pictures shows its original UK registration number but doing a vehicle check for that number plate does not find anything, so very likely that it has been exported and is now residing in Europe somewhere.
http://www.cobracars.be/cob%206054
A great shame the link does not work
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Link fixed:
COB 6054 (http://"http://www.cobracars.be/cob%206054.html")
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Originally posted by nikbj68
Link fixed:
COB 6054 (http://"http://www.cobracars.be/cob%206054.html")
Thanks Nik
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The entry for this car was:
#37, Otto Reedtz-Thott, Denmark, AC Cobra, 4700ccm, 1965
Maybe You will find some more details if You browse some of the details above.
What I found:
Baron Otto Reedtz-Thott
Gavnø 2
DK-4700 NÆSTVED
Region Sjælland
Dänemark
Telefon:
Telefax:
+45 (0) 5570 0200
+45 (0) 5570 0101
Uwe
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Or this
http://mobil.bt.dk/touch/slideshow.pml;jsessionid=8CEE69F76397AF8EBFFE070A6A93C0AE.uw-portal1?guid=15039033
Uwe
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Hmm, no wonder this man is smiling so much...
Gus
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according to the captures of the pics, JC21000 is the only AC Cobra in Denmark
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Originally posted by nikbj68
Link fixed:
COB 6054 (http://"http://www.cobracars.be/cob%206054.html")
photos date from the 38th Oldtimer Grand-Prix Nürburgring 2010 / Race n°9: Masters GT to 1965 (!)
driver listed on car n° 37: Otto Reedtz-Thott starting from row 15 (midfield)
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Although this is great detective work, I would have exercised a little more caution, and not published personal details including phone numbers on a public access forum. I am all for free speech but also respect personal privacy.
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I would add more pics but don't know how!
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Andy, You are absolutely right, the telephone numbers listed are official numbers from their homepage visible for everybody in the WWW, if not I would not have listed them here, for sure.
http://www.balticnordic.com/baron-otto-reedtz-thott-naestved/company.html
Hmm, it is more or less a high jack but maybe You would like to see some members of its (and Your) family tree in action.
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/crendon_2006/P8141915.jpg)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/crendon_2006/P8141910.jpg)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/crendon_2006/P8141908.jpg)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/crendon_2006/P8141905.jpg)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/crendon_2006/P8141966.jpg)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/crendon_2006/P8141906.jpg)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/crendon_2006/P8141895.jpg)
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Hi Uwe, That is fine about the telephone numbers. I was making a general point of principle and not being personal. I recognise the photo of the back of our green Cobra with Bill driving (at the Nurburgring I presume). I have never raced in the Oldtimer on the short circuit, but twice in the Marathon on the Nordschleife with John Bendall and his Cobra. Fabulous!
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I'll try:
http://s1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii626/migge1/?action=view¤t=PICT7944.jpg
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Since trying to trace my wife's uncle's old Cobra - COB6054, two and a half years ago i found nothing except some pictures of it purporting to have taken part in an oldtimers meeting at the Nurburgring in 2010.
Bonham's auction catalogue has now landed on my doormat and COB6054 is to be auctioned in the New Year!
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22528/preview_lot/4779740/
Comparing Bonham's pictures with those posted here
http://www.cobracars.be/cob%206054.html
there seems to be some marked differences between the two cars, wheel arches, engine bay details etc and very worryingly the chassis plates don't seem to be identical if you look closely ..............?
I'm not a Cobra expert but i'm sure some of you are, what do you think?
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Now that's amazing. It would almost lead one to believe that some folks might hide their authentic Cobra in the shed while building a replica from a Hawk/ Kirkham to go race. But surely, that's not possible, right?
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The norm for 'cobras' with newly-issued FIA HTPs is for the car to be a replica of an original destroyed many years ago. A smaller replica subset (about one car in ten with more generously budgeted owners) is the replica-clone, with the original in the garage. The Register leaf-spring replica appendix's 37 cars include four clones. The above evidence suggests that this should be 38 & five.
Happy thanksgiving, and roll on non-historic historic racing.
RS
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Quite right Cobra-Ned. No gentleman would ever consider stooping so low. I have faith in human nature and honesty will prevail at all times :)
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Having noted the exact same, unusual layout of switches on the dash in both sets of photos, It`s clear to me that all of the period parts removed from this car for racing have now been refitted, the body mods have been reversed, 30 years of patina regenerated and there is only 1 6054 after all.
OR maybe not. [;)][:D]
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I watch Dr Who, and therefore know is quite normal to travel backwards in time! The Bonhams car is obviously one which came straight from 1966 in the Tardis
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The vendor has 'cloned' 6054 for racing purposes. This is increasingly common, the majority of newly issued FIA Historic Technical Passports being for recently-built Cobras.
I believe Bonhams will obtain the vendor's undertaking that he will neither sell the clone as COB 6054, nor continue to claim or assert that it is COB 6054 or JGF 272D.
RS
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At least someone had the sense to build a clone and not wreck the real car for racing.
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This is not a view that is shared by any racers of historically correct cars (as opposed to recently-built lookalikes or much modernised continuous history cars). As Appendix K puts it “Historic competition is not simply another formula in which to acquire trophies, it is a discipline apart, in which one of the essential ingredients is a devotion to the cars and to their history. Historic Motor Sport enables the active celebration of the History of the Motor Car”.
I know of no historically correct Cobras that have been damaged beyond sympathetic repair in historic motorsport. The principal causers of carnage are recently-built hotrods that have no historical value with drivers who don’t know what historic motorsport is. All race licence holders who drive historic machinery will know what I’m talking about.
For spectators who want an example of what historic motorsport is not about, see grrc.goodwood.com/goodwood-revival/goodwood-revival-2014-race-highlights-rac-tt
The leading candidate for the 2014 idiotic driving in a recently-built cobra hotrod prize demonstrates his difficult-to-improve-upon qualifications at about 1min 35 secs.
RS
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Looks like we have a replica Aaron onboard, too. [;)]
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I do appreciate what you are saying Robin, at least the real car has not been butchered to build a race car . I would rather see real cars race at historic events, I dont think I have been cloned Nik , not as far as I am aware ! [:)]
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Originally posted by aaron... I would rather see real cars race at historic events, I dont think I have been cloned Nik...[:)]
Aaah, relief! [;)]
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I'm working on cloning myself so I can photograph Cobras at different corners during the Revival. Twice the number of snaps! Strangely, Lady L seems a bit cool on the idea....
I feel a bit sorry for those owners who do bring the real deal to the circuits. Maybe they should be given a 30 second advantage over the hot-rods? For what it's worth I think it makes the double victory on the Tour Auto by 2130 (non-cloned)driven by Lynn/Kivlochan all the more remarkable. I am told on first-hand authority that every single part on that car was gone over at scrutineering and everything had to comply to the letter, down to road exhausts and 7.5-inch wheels. Every other Cobra was waved through on race pipes and 8.5 inch wheels. So they just drove a bit faster and won the thing! And with a modicum of luck, they'll do it again....
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The giver of this first-hand information is neither an authority nor correct. FIA Recognition #115 allows for 6” (153mm), 6½” (165mm), 7” (178mm) & 8¾” (223.5mm) as well as 7½” (190.5mm) rims. The position on exhaust systems is also clear.
RS
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BUT, the event in question was the Tour Auto, which has it's own regulations, some Brits have previously been penalised for not having French air in the tyres!!! [:o)]
However, a certain entrant of 'local' origin did eventually incur a penalty for using said 8.5" wheels having been told not to... [B)]
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Apologies - the FIA takes up too much of my brain.
RS
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For the record, the 'authority' was the poor devil who had the unenviable task of getting the car through scrutineering!
(I believe fines are imposed for not being French....only joking.... a bit)
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Were those wheels fitted to a Kirkham Nik ? Mmm , so maybe next time they need to let the tyres down ,then pump them up again with French air [:)]
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Anyone know who bought it? £701,250 !
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video of the auction : http://youtu.be/XvSmfjbfrrk
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This Cobra is now in the UK with a dealer and will be restored to RHD.
RS
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Originally posted by rstainer: This Cobra will be restored to RHD.
And a weight of 965kg!!! [B)]
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The buyer gets 1,025kg for his money: it's an original road car (ex Amschel Rothschild ex John Harper).
RS
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COB 6054 was collected on Valentines Day 1966 by myself driving the new owner to Thames Ditton to collect the car. While Vivien was in paying the bill, I drove it out of the workshop ready to follow him back to Reading, where we both lived, so makes me one of the first drivers!
At Maidenhead thicket the car was pulled over because it was running so badly, found the choke had been out all the time. Went much better for the rest of the journey.
My first brush with what has become the worlds most iconic 2 seater.
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I show the owner of the genuine COB 6054 as Adrian Johnson of the UK.