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AC Owners Club Forum => General Forum => Topic started by: hawk289 on December 26, 2009, 22:55:27
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Ok, here we go, what was the rarest AC produced. Looking for the specific mark, rather than a variant. I will start proceedings
Ac Aceca Brooklands - 4 cars produced (2 demo cars, 1 Chassis and one written off during the Brooklands fire).
Lets see what turns up! [:)]
John
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Our friend 'Duggan' has a pretty good chance of taking this prize with his 212 S/C, one of only 2 produced!!!(click pic to go to thread:)
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w34/MkIVLux/AC212.jpg) (http://"http://www.acownersclub.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=284")
And do I win a prize for nominating it too? [;)]
Or maybe the rarest model of all would be a decent MkV??? LOL!!!![B)][:0][:o)]
JOKE!!!
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Ok, here we go, what was the rarest AC produced. Looking for the specific mark, rather than a variant.
Do these count – just 1 of each ?
Reference :
http://acfrua428.activeboard.com/index.spark?aBID=115841&subForumID=397875&p=2
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"CF 81"
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/CF81.jpg)
MA 200
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/MA200Prototypesmallerpic.jpg)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/MA200PrototypewithDerekHurlock.jpg)
"CF 91"
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/classicus/AC429-FruaFourseater.jpg)
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Clearly the most original & desireable car is the Lightweight 1924 car based on the Weller 200 mile at Brooklands which was driven by Joyce, this car exists & was seen at Prescott a couple of years ago.
A full description is in John McLellan's book.
This is clearly a real AC unlike many post war cars!
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I Beg to Differ, Though I am biased too Ace Bristol's and 289 Cobras and the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
For sheer Elegance, great proportions and rarest of rare AC's its got to be the 1938 one Off Fixed Head Coupe on the 16/80 Short chassis once
owned by H A S (Rainmaker) Fry. Reference page 64, Classic ACs Auto-Carrier to Cobra by John Mclellan.
Hopefully Nik can publish the picture I emailed him of this AC Coupe with Mr Fry standing alonside.
(this picture was first published in the September 1953 Bulletin then republished in ACtion Vol6 No1 dated May 1982)
Such a shame that this magnificent AC was destroyed by Fire many years ago, Maybe John McLellan has more details ?
One day, If I could ever find a bodiless 16/80 short chassis I would be tempted to have it bodied to replicate this Ethetically pleasing Perfectly Proportioned 1938 AC Coupe. (Eat yer heart out!)
Mind you the AC .... and the AC ....
Keith [:P]
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Originally posted by AC Ace Bristol...For sheer Elegance, great proportions and rarest of rare AC's its got to be the 1938 one Off Fixed Head Coupe on the 16/80 Short chassis which was owned by H A S (Rainmaker) Fry. Reference page 64, Classic ACs Auto-Carrier to Cobra by John Mclellan...Keith
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/ACfixedHeadcoupe1938.jpg)
Lovely!
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Originally posted by nikbj68
Our friend 'Duggan' has a pretty good chance of taking this prize with his 212 S/C, one of only 2 produced!!!(click pic to go to thread:)
And do I win a prize for nominating it too? [;)]
Aww - thanks!
Here are a few more photo's of the old girl (came close to parting with her recently after another purchase, but just couldn't do it[}:)]):
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ZEBV5iudYyY/SlzAJm7dEuI/AAAAAAAABag/-GuzdAEz8j8/s640/Octane%20Shoot%20005.jpg)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ZEBV5iudYyY/Szj0sOfRbjI/AAAAAAAABxE/r1aoFK2EgB4/s720/34.jpg)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ZEBV5iudYyY/Szj0sZw2s7I/AAAAAAAABxM/p6oFac7Ee7g/s640/untitled.jpg)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ZEBV5iudYyY/StnEeMU-SFI/AAAAAAAABsA/LqI3Jq9xf8M/s640/Ferrari%20Van%20%26%20AC%20Cobra%20015.jpg)
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Well done duggan for hanging on to her ,even if she is not one of the rarest AC`s in existance !!!!!!!! [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
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Originally posted by aaron Well done duggan for hanging on to her ,even if she is not one of the rarest AC`s in existance !!!!!!!! [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
I think being twice as common as the 'one-offs' above is still pretty rare!!! [;)][8D] Indeed, congrats on hanging on to her, and thanks for the photos.
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No,
They are the Brooklands Aceca and the Lotus powered Brooklands Ace.
Why?
Because I drove them both!!! A VERY limited number of people can claim that!
Add in driving CSX 3327 and a Superblower and I am sure I become "one of one!!!!!![:D]
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We all know you're one of one Rick :-) (My lawyer stopped me from saying that before)
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Originally posted by TLegate
We all know you're one of one Rick :-) (My lawyer stopped me from saying that before)
And I said such NICE things about you in my eBay action of that so-called book you claim to have written.....http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330389647496&ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT
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Originally posted by Mark IV
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Originally posted by TLegate
We all know you're one of one Rick :-) (My lawyer stopped me from saying that before)
And I said such NICE things about you in my eBay action of that so-called book you claim to have written.....http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330389647496&ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT
Looks like someone got a good buy.
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Rick - you said it, not me!! Over here, that's a sincere compliment ;-)
But you sold the book waaay too cheap - I'd have paid that for it as I only have a couple of copies! Curses......
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Yes,
It was TOO cheap, but you guys were all off making mince pies and "God blessing us everyone" when the auction was on so hard cheese!!!!
Please tell me what you will all pay for everything and I will not sell low in the future..................
But it IS going to an AC MK IV owner (you all know those, the b@stard son of CS and the Hurlocks with Angliss DNA)
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An interesting question to which there is no straightforward answer! For example, in the 1920s many AC bodies were made by specialist coachbuilders, and in the 1930s even in-house made cars were bespoke. So, there were hardly 2 cars alike. Furthermore, right up to the 3000ME there was rarely more than one prototype of a new model, and they were often quite different to the production model. So, where does one draw the line?
The following are some examples of one-off A-Cs in the period 1904 to 1986: Auto-Carrier Ambulance;1913 & 1919 Cyclecars (Archive article to come soon); 1921-26 Race & record cars (at least 6 variants, only 1 survives - Archive article in research); 1932 4-door saloon; 1932 4-seater open sports; 1938 Special FHC (HAS Fry's car); 1946 Two-Litre Hack; 1947 Two-Litre Prototype; 1951 Buckland Special Body; 1953 Two-Litre Coupe; 1953 Ace Prototype; 1954 Ace Flat-4; 1955 5-Seater Flat-4 Experimental; 1958 Ace-Zagato; 1961 Ace-Bristol BEX 1192; 1959 Greyhound Prototypes (2 different bodies); 1962 Greyhound Flat-6; 1963 Greyhound Ford 2.6;1963 Aceca A83; 1963 MA200; Numerous 1960s Cobra 1-offs including A98; 1966 AC427 Convertible; 1971 AC Town Car 3-wheeler and 4-wheeler;1982 AC428 'Mk2'; Frua 7-Litre 4-seater; Numerous 3000ME variants including AC-Ghia, Ghia Quicksilver, 3000ME Lightweight, and '2800ME';1986 'Ace of Spades'.No doubt there are others too!
There are photos of many of these cars in the 60th Anniversary Booklet, and some are featured in past Archive articles.
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So that's answered that question then........ :-)
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Trevor
I would say that was, WELL ... ... Conclusive !.
Thats put that to bed.
Say "Good Night" .. Trev [|)] [|)] [|)]
Keith [B)] [:(]
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The AC Mk VI must currently be one of the rarest:
(http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_638/car_photo_319198_25.jpg )
And covered on the AC Heritage website - some endorsement!
http://www.acheritage.co.uk/acmkv1.html
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If I build an "AC" in MY basement, is it a rare "AC"?????
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you tried that with a boat once...how'd that work for you???
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It was at this point that Rick decided the V8 in the back wasn't such a great idea!
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt244/ak1023/boating.jpg)
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Originally posted by jbottini
you tried that with a boat once...how'd that work for you???
Mi 'Scusa
It is the best damn boat anchor NOT on top of a boat deck!
If my buddy Alan says it is a rare AC, then it IS a rare AC!!!!
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two fine points!!!
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Heres two very rare AC's in one picture.
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt244/ak1023/coupe.jpg)
The AC Cobra Coupe & an actual AC factory..... One is very rare and the other is extinct!
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much prettier than the Cobra Daytona coupe
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Originally posted by jbottini
much prettier than the Cobra Daytona coupe
Yes,
It is a VERY pretty car, too bad it didn't get a full run at LeMans, who knows what might have been....
As to the "AC works" I understand thre is a plaque someplace in the development that commerates the works, no such thing in the Tesco that covers Autokrafts original shed.
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Originally posted by Mark IV...As to the "AC works" I understand thre is a plaque someplace in the development that commerates the works, no such thing in the Tesco that covers Autokrafts original shed.
There is a plaque (http://"http://www.acownersclub.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1296"), but due to 'content', it was suggested that the ACOC should consider commissioning a new one.
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w34/MkIVLux/Thames%20Ditton/guesswhatswronghere.jpg) (http://"http://www.acownersclub.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1296")
As for Tesco... 'nuff said.[:(]
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Quite Right!
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That plaque doesn't seem fitting or adequate does it. It even has two odd screws holding it in place.
Sort of a sad epitaph rather than the celebration of success that it should stand for.
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"CarroL????
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FloriA ?
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"Mille Miglia"? Last run (properly) in `57, 5 (or 6, according to the plaque!) years before the birth of the Cobra[;)]
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Perhaps there's a more detailed list somewhere ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targa_Florio
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Originally posted by Classicus Perhaps there's a more detailed list somewhere ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targa_Florio
I found this: (clicki pici) in Italian, but there are videos & photos & stuff!
(http://www.targaflorio-1906-1977.it/images/fotoGeoffreyGoddard/Geoffrey%20Goddard%20(2).jpg) (http://"http://www.targaflorio-1906-1977.it/")
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Originally posted by hawk289
Ok, here we go, what was the rarest AC produced. Looking for the specific mark, rather than a variant. I will start proceedings
Ac Aceca Brooklands - 4 cars produced (2 demo cars, 1 Chassis and one written off during the Brooklands fire).
Lets see what turns up! [:)]
John
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Originally posted by hawk289
Ok, here we go, what was the rarest AC produced. Looking for the specific mark, rather than a variant. I will start proceedings
Ac Aceca Brooklands - 4 cars produced (2 demo cars, 1 Chassis and one written off during the Brooklands fire).
Lets see what turns up! [:)]
John , have you decided what car is the rarest yet ? [:D]
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Originally posted by Mark IV
Yes,
It was TOO cheap, but you guys were all off making mince pies and "God blessing us everyone" when the auction was on so hard cheese!!!!
Please tell me what you will all pay for everything and I will not sell low in the future..................
But it IS going to an AC MK IV owner (you all know those, the b@stard son of CS and the Hurlocks with Angliss DNA)
The book is worth what someone is willing to pay for it,if you had priced it too high,it might not have made any bids.
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LM 5000 Funny no one suggested her
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w363/BPBird/Ace%20le%20Mans_zpsv7u1jjvz.jpg)
And who is the elderly driver ?
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w363/BPBird/Simon%20Taylor%20Speedfest%2015_zpsmhsymizx.jpg)
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Is it Simon Taylor...are you having 'lunch with...'?
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(http://Spot on Nik - it is the ever youthful Simon. As for 'lunch with' I seem to remember we later had a greasy 'burger at Grampian Speedfest. You have to be important, famous and successful to get a proper MotoSport lunch and I fail on all three. Still I do remember attracting some crumpet whilst Simon was off driving an Indy roadster for his adoring public.
[img]http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w363/BPBird/Speedfest%202015%20024_zpseadoyesg.jpg)
By the bye astute observers might agree with me that the A.C. 428 attracts a certain type of driver and here, lurking in the background, we see a prime example.
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The speech bubble reading "I say, Ding Dong!" seems to be missing from your photo, Barrie!