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AC Owners Club Forum => General Forum => Topic started by: Chafford on February 26, 2010, 21:46:25
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According to Autocar, AC are exhibiting an electric city concept car with a magnesium chassis at Geneva alongside a revised Mk VI:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle.aspx?AR=247781
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/247757/
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The magnesium technology is a joint project between AC Cars and the Israeli company ALubin. The project is headed by ex-Lotus engineer John Owen and automotive designer Ron Saunders.
I feel sorry for Ron and John. Saunders was a decent designer and John has done some good work but for some reason they continue to serve "Dear Chairman" and ever so become more redundant.
And I will bet that "ALubin" is owned by a Delaware, USA holding company that is owned by a certain Mr. Lubinsky.
Set the alarm clock for one year hence and see if this has gone anywhere or even if the announcements have not been removed from the web and no trace may be found.............
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Originally posted by Mark IV The magnesium technology is a joint project between AC Cars and the Israeli company ALubin...And I will bet that "ALubin" is owned by a Delaware, USA holding company that is owned by a certain Mr. Lubinsky...
I like the look of the EV sketch, looks like a HotWheels/MicroMachine of an AC 3000ME!!
(http://cdn.media.autocar.co.uk//Car/AC/2521010103944195234x155.jpg) (http://"http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/acs-radical-magnesium-chassis/247781/pictures/acs-radical-magnesium-chassis.aspx")
(Maybe they should ask Amy Boylan at Shelby for some tips!!![:D])
When I saw the name of the partner company, I thought exactly the same, but it IS just a coincidence, judging by this: ALubin info (http://"http://www.manufacturingnetwork.org/pooled/profiles/BF_COMP/view.asp?Q=BF_COMP_60327")
Does make one wonder if the 'partnership' came about after someone was Googling their own name though...[;)]
First news of the MkVI since it was last seen at the Octane Magazine Cobra feature shoot (http://"http://www.acownersclub.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1300") at Brooklands last year, but to me, the most appealing upgrade is the £20k drop in price(Although I doubt the customers who placed the "...‘substantial’ number of orders [that] have already been taken for the £93,500 car" will be too chuffed, wonder how many have been delivered?)!!! I look forward to seeing how it looks; watch, as they say, this space. [:)]
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I'm attending the show next Saturday and visiting the AC stand. Full report in April's ACtion.
Terry
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Mk VI at Geneva:
http://www.salon-auto.ch/en/en-images/zoom.php?idIndex=0&idContent=20387
http://www.salon-auto.ch/en/en-images/zoom.php?idIndex=0&idContent=20389
http://www.salon-auto.ch/en/en-images/zoom.php?idIndex=0&idContent=20388
(http:// http://media.monstersandcritics.com/galleries/2153026_35053/0206350855085.jpg )
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So they showed a really nice kit car with "AC" emblems and decent paint?
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The Picture just says it all
The scruffy ill fitting suit and trainers.....
complements the downward spiral of our once highly esteemed AC.
Keith [:(]
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Above post edited for reasons previously stated on this Forum.
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And I will bet that "ALubin" is owned by a Delaware, USA holding company that is owned by a certain Mr. Lubinsky
Don't think so,Rick if you had checked the Alubin site: http://www.alubin.com/eng/Htmls/home.aspx?BSS4=12316
you would have seen its an Israeli company.
And Keith the guy in the above photo holding the door of the car open is a member of the press and nothing to do with the AC.
Please don’t be so quick to judge as these comments do nothing to support the brand, regardless of cars 50 years old or those being designed and made today, an AC is an AC.
We all own ACs, so why not support AC in a positive way.
Terry
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Terry
I couldn't care less who the scruff is/was, The picture doesn't portray the AC marque as one was accustomed to when owned by The Hurlock Family and then by Brian Angliss.
Any reputable PR Company would have binned the picture,not published it. All comes down to Standards ... Last but not Least ...
The Brand is only as good as the last product produced and service experienced.!
Keith
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These aren't official AC photos so I doubt AC had any role in their publication. And the car itself looks rather good.
Who's the gentleman with the moustache in the photo below?
http://www.salon-auto.ch/en/en-images/zoom.php?idIndex=0&idContent=20387
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Who's the gentleman with the moustache in the photo below
That, I believe, is Mr Lubinsky.
Terry
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Originally posted by terry3000me
And I will bet that "ALubin" is owned by a Delaware, USA holding company that is owned by a certain Mr. Lubinsky
Don't think so,Rick if you had checked the Alubin site: http://www.alubin.com/eng/Htmls/home.aspx?BSS4=12316
you would have seen its an Israeli company.
We all own ACs, so why not support AC in a positive way.
Terry
Terry,
Right you are are, I SHOULD have Googled "Alubin" however the name was just "too" perfect NOT to be one of his front companies.
And I would love nothing more than to support and present "AC" in a positive way if only "AC" existed in any real way. While many do not recognize the Angliss years as "AC", the Lubinsky/Pride/DigitalMafia.com era is very much so less than the Hurlocks dustbin.
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Originally posted by Mark IV
So they showed a really nice kit car with "AC" emblems and decent paint?
Would you agree that an informed judgement on the car isn't possible until someone has actually driven it?
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Originally posted by Chafford
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Originally posted by Mark IV
So they showed a really nice kit car with "AC" emblems and decent paint?
Would you agree that an informed judgement on the car isn't possible until someone has actually driven it?
True,
BUT, when the the "AC" in question is based upon a replica of an earlier AC and built by people with no real connection to AC, is it really an "AC"????
A Kirkham drives great, but it is not an "AC"!!!
I have said it before and will say it again, AC does NOT exist in any real way today. Yes, someone owns the name and trademarks, but calling it a bun does not make it a bun!!!
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Mark IV
You are ABSOLUTELY right !!!!!!!
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Looks much better without the side exhausts:
http://www.salon-auto.ch/en/en-images/ac-cars-mk-vi-0-20422
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Originally posted by Mark IV
I have said it before and will say it again, AC does NOT exist in any real way today. Yes, someone owns the name and trademarks, but calling it a bun does not make it a bun!!!
I'm sure Mr Gray at AC Heritage would disagree!
http://www.acheritage.co.uk/newbuildcobra427.html
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Originally posted by Chafford: Looks much better without the side exhausts:
(http://www.salon-auto.ch/multimedia/images/img_traitees/2010/03/dsc_0009______big.jpg)
There are a few detail changes on this MkVI.5 which are certainly an improvement on the first one, and although I didn`t get to drive it, I have seen the first one put through it`s paces. Not only does it shift like a scorched squirrel, but the build quality appears significantly better than that of the MkV.
(German engineering vs. Maltese...erm...work?[:I])
AC, not an AC...yeah, my opinion on this is well enough-known to not go through again, but what will the buying public make of it... time will tell. [|)]
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Originally posted by Chafford
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Originally posted by Mark IV
I have said it before and will say it again, AC does NOT exist in any real way today. Yes, someone owns the name and trademarks, but calling it a bun does not make it a bun!!!
I'm sure Mr Gray at AC Heritage (http://"http://www.acheritage.co.uk/newbuildcobra427.html") would disagree!
AC Heritage & The Brooklands Motor Company are, I believe, still a separate entity; however,(and again, this is purely my opinion)their 'bloodline' is significantly stronger than that of the company producing the AC MkVI, and their vehicles are absolutely to-die-for.
If we were talking 'You can buy a *"Cobra" money-no-object, but you can`t have an original' I would take the Brooklands 289FiA. No question. [8D]
(http://www.acheritage.co.uk/admin/uploads/100_6424_wm-320cms11249373068.jpg) (http://"http://www.acheritage.co.uk/cobrafia1~65.html")
* By Cobra, I mean MkIV, Superblower, CRS, MkV, MkVI, Shelby 'continuation', Kirkham and Superformance(Shelby).
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If we were talking 'You can buy a *"Cobra" money-no-object, but you can`t have an original' I would take the Brooklands 289FiA. No question,
* By Cobra, I mean MkIV, Superblower, CRS, MkV, MkVI, Shelby 'continuation', Kirkham and Superformance(Shelby).
Please Nik explain the why and wherefores of your decision?
Terry
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Originally posted by nikbj68
(http://www.salon-auto.ch/multimedia/images/img_traitees/2010/03/dsc_0009______big.jpg)
Ths shape of the revised version is much more AC than last year's kit shaped prototype, so a fair bit of work has obviously been put into the latest version.
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Originally posted by terry3000me...Please Nik explain the why and wherefores of your decision? Terry
LOL, Decision? You make it sound like I`m about to place an order!!! I wish!!!![:D]
Having seen good examples of all the 'Cobras' I listed except for the Shelby CSX4000 or 7000 series, there is an amount of logic, and an element of emotion involved.
The MkIV I like, particularly the Lightweights, but they took a step towards being civilised that I knock off a point or 2 for.
Superblower. Sorry, don`t like the interior as much as older models. CRS, ditto, although the manners are less MkIV, more old skool!
Kirkham, lovely. Have it your way, billet suspension, original-style coil or leafspring (at a premium)but you still buy a new one as a roller to complete.
Superformance. Body shape isn`t quite to my tastes, but the fit & finish is still very good.
So that just leaves the AC Heritage new builds.
There is just something about them that feels so right, the fact that they are built by some ex-AC guys, on AC bucks might have a lot to do with that, but ultimately, it is a personal opinion, a feeling, like why fall in love with one woman and not her (lovely) sister... [:I]
ERm, anyway. Nothing wrong at all with the Cobras I mentioned, and I`d be happy to have any one of them, just happier to have the Brooklands Bashers` Baby!!!
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The shape has been un-Dax'd, though why it was ever necessary.... wonder where the body bucks came from? ;-)
I also cast my vote for Niks opinion having driven many of the above (notably NOT the '5' thank you) but for the final vote I'd take price into consideration twixt the Kirkham & the car in the photo. Not a ciggy-paper between them regarding the 'thrills' per mile IMHO. Each has its foilbles but who needs comfort?
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....it is a personal opinion, a feeling, like why fall in love with one woman and not her (lovely) sister....
Lol !
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Originally posted by nikbj68
* By Cobra, I mean MkIV, Superblower, CRS, MkV, MkVI, Shelby 'continuation', Kirkham and Superformance(Shelby).
Nik, why do you mention the Superformance (Mk III Cobra, I understand) in one go with the others?
For me the MkIV, Superblower, CRS, 212 (not mentioned by you) and MkV, and Heritage Continuation Cobras have one thing in common: they are built on a chassis almost identical to the one of the late MkIII.
Continuation Shelbys use the same and even Kirkham has made a (true) copy thereof.
The chassis of the Superformance MkIII has nothing to do with this, neither does their suspension. (See links below) Same is true for the MkVI. These are typical Kit-cars, though even factory built and high quality. Unfortunately putting an AC badge on one of them, does not make it an AC (I only speak for myself).
I wish it would have been different!
http://www.superformance.com/mkiii/mkIII_specs/chassis_front.jpg
http://www.superformance.com/mkiii/mkIII_specs/suspension_front.jpg
http://www.superformance.com/mkiii/mkIII_specs/suspension_rear.jpg
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Originally posted by MkIV Lux
Nik, why do you mention the Superformance (Mk III Cobra, I understand) in one go with the others?
Hi Constant. The reason I mentioned Superformance is simply due to the Shelby tie-in, and we are very much on the same wavelength about how this & the MkVI do not form part of the Cobra 'evolution', but AC & Shelby have seen fit to put their names (and CSX numbers, in the case of the SPF Coupés!) to them, thus making them 'part of the family'!
The 212 SC was an ommision, sorry, but I prefer the sound of the Ford V8`s (& even Chevy, in the case of the MkVI)to the Lotus, even though it may be stunningly fast and still a part of the 'true' line. [;)]