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General Forum / Re: Value of found AC Bristol

« on: October 11, 2020, 09:05:08 »

Thanks very much for this really helpful and constructive reply, Ned, as it perfectly illustrates my point.

Here we have 47 years’ worth of continuous history, absent of title.
Would this be ‘good enough’ for you, in the SAAC, if it were a ‘CSX’ rather than ‘BEX’?
I can’t see any reason not to accept BEX310 as what it is.

Many thanks, Ned.

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General Forum / Re: Value of found AC Bristol

« on: October 10, 2020, 15:58:21 »

Thank you Robin


I look forward to following the progress of BEX 310, and hopefully it’s restoration back to original Bristol-spec. 👍🏻

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General Forum / Re: Value of found AC Bristol

« on: October 10, 2020, 14:06:17 »

My understanding is that fitting a new manufacturer specification chassis or shell to a vehicle does not involve changing the VIN.  The guidelines for a UK historic vehicle are here:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/670431/vehicles-of-historical-interest-substantial-change-guidance.pdf

See the paragraphs under 'The criteria for substantial change'....

Very useful guidance, which shows that using O.E-spec replacement chassis/body or monocoque does not mean the vehicle would have to be reclassified as ‘substantially changed’ (but if you cut out the firewall of a Ford Anglia to fit a Chevy V8, it would!) but no mention of V.I.N.
I was referencing Andy Shepherd’s clarification of the Register principles HERE:

As promised I have investigated and can now reply to previous posts concerning the Club's registers...
Michael Grenfell has now reviewed all relevant Club documents and forum posts and concludes that:
   
   “It is my opinion that the Register’s operation:
   
   1.   Is in accordance with UK law
   2.   Is what I would expect to see from a leading register
   3.   Is in accordance with DVLA INF 26 guidance.”

...Points outstanding when we commissioned the review were:
   
   Gus(vehicle identity transfer)
   You are correct; a vehicle identity (VIN or chassis number) cannot be transferred from one vehicle to another in most European (including UK) law....

...Facts about particular cars sent direct to our registrars are always welcome, and the Council will always address considered register policy and operational recommendations.
   
   Andy Shepherd

So yes, a replacement chassis or monocoque should have a new V.I.N. 👍🏻

You must update your V5C if you change any of the following:

colour
engine
cylinder capacity (cc)
fuel type
chassis or bodyshell (replaced or modified)

DVLA Guidance

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General Forum / Re: Value of found AC Bristol

« on: October 10, 2020, 01:31:37 »

Thanks for the clarification, Robin.
So would you class the above BEX 310 as the surviving, original 1957-built Ace?
Is not the fact that it exists complete a physical manifestation of ‘continuous history’?
Although clearly modified for drag racing, there is no suggestion that it has been ‘built from AC-sourced parts’ or ‘rebuilt’, nor that it is a collection of discarded parts,  so it clearly isn’t a ‘replica’; surely ‘continuous’ title is very hard to establish for many (if not all) ‘lost & found’ cars, so couldn’t be taken as the be all and end all of accepting an original car as such?
Of course, a V.I.N should beunique to the chassis or monocoque it was issued to, so cannot be transferred to another vehicle (eg a MkI Escort rally car crashes, get’s reshelled, so a new V.I.N is legally required, but the old one is cut out & welded into the new...naughty naughty!) But continuity of title would not necessarily show such an act had occurred...
The Replica Cobra register makes it quite clear the (approximate)date of manufacture, by whom manufactured (where known), and identifies ‘cloned’ or ‘not AC(Cobra) chassis numbers‘ as applicable.

So from you statement: “Any barn-find AC will be recognised as an AC providing it has been kept together since original completion” I see no reason that you would not accept BEX 310.
Fair comment?

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Ace, Aceca & Greyhound Forum / Re: Ace spare wheel Knob / Nut

« on: October 08, 2020, 14:37:21 »

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Klassic

They are correct  for securing the spare wheel in both the Ace and Aceca, not sure if the same applies to Greyhound and  early Cobra . Maybe some one can  confirm...
Keith

I can confirm these are correct for Greyhound and 260/289 Cobra. 👍🏻
The ones Gerry has in stock are very nice, but not an exact copy(see photo. £40, +p&p +vat). Correct originals as per Klassik’s photos are hard to find and expensive!

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General Forum / Re: Value of found AC Bristol

« on: October 08, 2020, 00:28:34 »

Door hinges confirm chassis number BEX310.. BIG Question...Does the this Ace have TITLE and Continuous History?   if not, it will not be recognised as a AC Ace Bristol , NO  CONTINUOUS HISTORY & NO TITLE... would be as basis for a KIT CAR.
Hopefully Proof of Title and Continuous History and You...can...return it to correct 1957 Ace Bristol Specification.
Keith

Hi Keith.
Kit Car? ? ! ! 
Am I missing something here?
If you have a complete car, with it’s BEX 310 chassis stampings in the correct places, why would it not be recognised as an AC Ace Bristol? And who would not recognise it? The ACOC? The DVLA?

Is there some confusion between VIN & Title?
When you say:

The ACOC would appreciate copy of paper work or at least confirmation that BEX310 has Title and earlier History.

It seems unlikely if the wife didn’t even know of the car that ‘Title’ has been found or maintained, but the VIN is there on the car, where it has been since it was laid down at Thames Ditton in 1957.

So Basically, any barn-find AC that doesn’t have a history from Thames Ditton ‘til today, will not be recognised? That CANNOT be right!

Isn’t ‘Title’ the American equivalent of our V5 registration(log book)(I understand there are differences, but in principle)?

What am I missing here?

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428 Frua Forum / Re: CF69

« on: October 03, 2020, 12:03:06 »

Suits you, Sir! 

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General Forum / Re: Value of found AC Bristol

« on: October 03, 2020, 00:46:47 »

OK, well, with no responses yet I can pass along that some kind soul has told the widow he'd take it off her hands for $20,000. I'm thinking he's a bit light. Any thoughts?

It’s not ‘Richard Rawlings’ light, but if there is little more to it than you mention, it’s going to be a 6-figure restoration, done right.
The Lloyd Casner connection certainly should add value, I know Keith & Tim may have some historic info.
Maybe B.A.T would find its true value?

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General Discussion / Re: Is this possibly the most boring Forum any where!

« on: October 03, 2020, 00:38:12 »

Not so boring ?

On the contrary...it’s ACE!   

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428 Frua Forum / Re: 428 Convertible at Pendine Historic Cars

« on: September 29, 2020, 09:10:20 »

Those front bumpers certainly need seeing to!
Lovely car though.

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General Forum / Re: 1937 AC Numbers Matching Drop Head Coupe for sale

« on: September 29, 2020, 09:08:21 »

That is GORGEOUS!

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Recent ACs / Re: Mystery MkV or CRS?

« on: May 29, 2020, 12:12:48 »

Thanks! I have an enquiry in with KL Elite, to see if they can date the heater box. Note, the phone number on the label is now a private residential number!

Bryan now believes it to be MkV chassis no.3, but I’m still curious about the rear lights being to earlier design.

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Mk IV, Superblower, CRS and other Continuation Cars Forum / Mystery CRS or MkV?

« on: May 29, 2020, 09:18:22 »

Bryan Stone in Bloomington, Illinois, has just acquired a partially assembled car, and asked on Facebookif anyone could identify ‘which kit’ it is. It had been in storage for 10-20 years before he purchased it. He has yet to find a chassis plate,
but I believe it to be a CRS, Some think MkV.
My big question is, was this car stripped, or is this as far as it was assembled?
Any help appreciated!

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Recent ACs / Mystery MkV or CRS?

« on: May 29, 2020, 09:14:39 »

Bryan Stone in Bloomington, Illinois, has just acquired a partially assembled car, and asked on Facebookif anyone could identify ‘which kit’ it is. It had been in storage for 10-20 years before he purchased it. He has yet to find a chassis plate,
but I believe it to be a CRS, Some think MkV.
My big question is, was this car stripped, or is this as far as it was assembled?
Any help appreciated!

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Recent ACs / Re: Looking for a Hawk

« on: May 29, 2020, 08:41:41 »

Hi Reg. Come on over to THE 289 REGISTER, join the Forum,(join the Club!) and we’ll see what turns up! They are few and far between on the open market, I hope this is to sit alongside the Greyhound!