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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Tour Auto 2013-Cobra Identities?
« on: May 22, 2013, 20:28:22 »
Sundude,
   
   The ACOC register has car 215 as CSX 2111, owned by Pierre-Alain France. The 2029 replica didn't originally have cut-back doors, but may well do now.
   
   Although there is no suggestion that this occurred in 2013, last year's event was widely observed as having one entrant using two identically dressed cobras.
   
   RS

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Tour Auto 2013-Cobra Identities?
« on: May 22, 2013, 16:14:33 »
Brian,
   
   Thanks for the lead - I now know where to follow up.
   
   It could well be 2029, but which one? The 2006 clone or the 1962 original?
   
   If it's a clone or replica, it makes the 2013 Tour Auto ten Cobra entry five 'originals' (in the sense of originally made in the 60s) and five replicas/clones.
   
   RS

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Tour Auto 2013-Cobra Identities?
« on: May 21, 2013, 13:20:22 »
The other photo wouldn't load; here it is:
   
   
   RS

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / GPG 4C at auction, guide price £150k - £190k...
« on: May 08, 2013, 16:12:00 »
A Cobra but, pedantically, not an AC Cobra:
   
   AC/Shelby:  - cobras made in period (per the Factory Ledger):
   907 (CS/CSX/CSB)
   89   (COB/COX/A98)
   996
   
   Other Constructors: (High Efficiency Motors, Willment, Willment & Unknown Parties) - cobras made in period:
                              3
   
    Total period production:
    999
   
   This is HEM 6, thought to be the sixth car made by Chessington-based High Efficiency Motors.

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Recent ACs / New Continuation Cobras???
« on: April 24, 2013, 20:41:24 »
Nik,
   
   A considerable number do and I have absolutely no problem with it, as long as the car is not misdescribed when selling.
   
   How much would I pay for a badge or a name on a tax disc, over and above that paid for the engineering and quality of the car and the assurance of an after-sales service? Nothing. It's not what it called that matters; it's what it is.
   
   This applies to all products made by companies that want to keep their customers, and is vital to those trying to build a customer base, such as AC.
   
   RS

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Recent ACs / New Continuation Cobras???
« on: April 24, 2013, 14:34:55 »
Andy,
   
   A better place would be the ‘Recent ACs’ section.
   
   This is the ‘AC Mark II Classic’, announced by press release on & March 2012. It’s made (very occasionally) by High-Tec Automotive, with a composite body.
   
   Later in the year it became the ‘50th Anniversary Edition’, with a small number of refinements including the dashboard plaque signed by Gen. Sir Jeremy Mackenzie.
   
   It is not clear what practical feature this car offers that cannot be provided by Gerry Hawkridge and I’ve not heard of any sales, although last summer Cyprus-based holding company AC Cars (EU) Ltd announced sales targets (all AC models) as ‘80 sales a year in the UK and 200 in Europe’.
   
   R

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / Lewis Hamilton's Favourite Cars
« on: April 19, 2013, 14:29:30 »
Lewis bought two 427's in 2011: 3244 and 3282.
   
   This is in ACtion (Jan 2012, I think) and the Club's registers.

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / CSX 3301 Sold at Mecum Auction
« on: April 18, 2013, 18:28:55 »
No risk whatsoever.
   
   In period AC marketing terms, your right. However, the man in the street called all of them 'cobras' from earliest times. For example, after 6104’s rebuild Geoff Dempsey’s September 67’s Autosport advert describes its discarded parts as “ Mk II Cobra, body and chassis only, bent but great potential for complete rebuild” (they sold for £15). Further, the AC Factory called all coil spring chassis the Cobra Mk II.
   
   So from the very earliest times it’s been the convention to refer all the 996 ‘cobras’ that left Thames Ditton as Cobras, be they leaf spring cars or coil spring cars (the 427 Cobra, the Cobra 427, the 427, the 289 Sports, the Cobra Mk II or the Mk II Cobra, depending on what you’re reading).

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / CSX 3301 Sold at Mecum Auction
« on: April 18, 2013, 14:34:13 »
It is neither observant nor helpful to characterise the people of a country (let alone a continent) as having a myopic point of view.
   
   Our US brethren quite rightly refer to the US cars (907 in total) as Shelby cobras; it was Shelby who struck the deal (AC/SA/Ford), Shelby and Ford who marketed the product, Shelby and Ford who had the US presence and Ford who did the US servicing. Having a CSX car in the US and insisting on it being calling it an AC (rather than a Shelby) would generally be considered to be quaint or not-quite-one-of-us.
   
   Definitions (whatever they may be) are important in all constructive or precise discourse (be it law, logic, philosophy, medicine, music, history etc). By all means have a debate about them, but hopefully make it a reasonable debate.

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Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / CSX 3301 Sold at Mecum Auction
« on: April 17, 2013, 16:02:54 »
A Shelby or an AC?
   
   The ACOC uses a different definition:
  • Shelby Cobra: A Cobra made under an AC/Shelby contract (CSX, CS, CSB)
  • AC Cobra: Any other Cobra made by AC (COX, COB, A).

    •    AC assigned VINs to all 996 Shelby and AC Cobras using the Factory Ledger (aka The Bible) as the initial document. Three more Cobras were made in period that are neither Shelbys nor ACs: see the ACOC Cobra Register on the Club's website.
       
       A number of Shelby Cobras were assembled in the UK: 2030, 2130 (Le Mans prototype), 2131 (Le Mans team car), 2142 (Le Mans team car) etc. The ACOC defines these as Shelby Cobras; the alternative ‘where finally assembled’ approach, which no one this side of the pond favours, would define them as ACs.
       
       Simple definition: If it’s in the AC Factory Ledger as a Cobra with ‘S’ in the VIN, it’s a Shelby; if no ‘S’, it’s an AC.

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    General Forum / AC and Cobra Book for Sale on EBay
    « on: April 09, 2013, 21:02:08 »
    A useful out-of-print book source is abebooks.com , a portal between buyer and all subscribing second-hand-book sellers. McLellan's book starts at $100 (Icarus Aviation Press, Columbia) and goes all points North.
       
       The portal fronts a 100,000,000+ book inventory.

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    Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / CSX3016 for sale through Exotic Classics (USA)
    « on: April 08, 2013, 17:20:22 »
    3016 was destroyed by parting out in 1966.
       
       The 3016 replica now for sale was made twenty eight years later.

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    Cobra (Thames Ditton) Forum / COB6039 for sale at Bradfield Cars London
    « on: March 21, 2013, 17:59:45 »
    Constant,
       
       The car (excepting its paint/wheel arch/wheel job) is is in exactly the condition Paul left it at the end of his forty year competitive ownership. The extended flares ('workmanlike' rather than elegant) that can be seen in many period photos have been removed to return the wheel arches to original specification.
       
       It is an attractive vehicle to anyone wanting a piece of well-preserved history.
       
       RS

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    Recent ACs / 378 GT Zagato on sale in the USA
    « on: March 17, 2013, 13:45:04 »
    Chafford,
       
       As our foremost Zagato authority and Forum poster, what is your estimate of sales to date in:
  • AC form?  
  • Perana form?  

    •    
       RS

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    Recent ACs / Autoblog reviews the AC 378GT Zagato
    « on: January 26, 2013, 15:22:16 »
    AC's directors (4?) conclude that different branding and other amendments will greatly improve this car's sales prospects; time will be their judge.

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