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AC Owners Club Forum => Mk IV, Superblower, CRS and other Continuation Cars Forum => Topic started by: ak1234 on February 18, 2007, 17:23:01

Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: ak1234 on February 18, 2007, 17:23:01: What ever became of this car .. lotus engine .. it was real hot looking.
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: jbottini on February 18, 2007, 19:25:50: A few were built, Carbon fibre and Lotus engines, some with 302's and exist in UK as I understand it. see Trevor legates book. I saw and rode one in UK..very impressive, unique engine noise as the Lotus V8 is a "flat crank" unit
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: Chafford on February 18, 2007, 21:09:01: The MKIV CRS 'Carbon Road Series' had the 302 Ford V8 with 225hp standard. This was a different model from the 212 S/C which had the Esprit V8 engine.

   My understanding is that the current MKV is an updated version of the CRS.

   MKIV CRS

   (http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/londres2012/AC-302-MKIV-CRS.jpg)

   MKV

   (http://www.acautomotive.info/gallery/MKV/mkv005.jpg)
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: jbottini on February 18, 2007, 22:39:11: you are probably right, recall the CRS bodies about and a finished car or two, thought one was Lotus and one a 302, they may have had different nomenclature, but were ;except for engine /trans I believe, the same car. Now that I think about it..I'm not sure what the lotus engine was in that I rode...could have been an Ace or Aceca...I do recall the exhaust note though, real rorty and aggressive, V8 but not.
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: SB7019 on February 18, 2007, 23:04:04: I believe only one or maybe two 212's were built. The sound was certainly very different - but to my ear not nearly as attractive as the "normal" V8s. It did not have the same "muscular" tone and just did not make the sort of noises you expect from a Cobra. The list price in 2001 was £69,000 versus the CRS at £39,000 (and the Aluminium bodied Superblower and Continuation 427 at £79,000 and £150,000 respectively). I guess most people decided that for £30,000 you could buy a lot of extra power for the CRS and still keep the better noise!
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: Mark IV on February 19, 2007, 02:22:39: The SC/212 was the answer to the question nobody asked...as I told Luby, people exprct a "Cobra" to have lotsa torque. The Lotus engine was a great piece...at 6K revs. I understand that John Owen has investment in the engine, he helped design it after all, but it was not the right powerplant for the car and thus, no one really wanted one.

   But hey, what do I know...I'm just a "Bloody American"

   And Jim, the car we drove with the "Lotus Type 918 V8" was A. L.'s demo Ace, I drove it from Weybridge to the outskirts of London, at a right fair clip!!!!

   Rick
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: ak1234 on February 19, 2007, 03:23:44: Wow ... 2 great pics ... so the Lotus engine was wimpy ... so the CRS .. lead into the MKV ?? What about the suspension and frame ..in comparison to the MKIV .. the MKV I looked at appeared to have a very different set up from my MKIV.

   Rick you were correct my front brakes are vented on the MKIV ... but the MKV I had noticed were much larger diameter ...

   Ron
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: cobham cobra on February 19, 2007, 14:32:46: FYI, I saw two cars for sale last January at Bramley Motors (London + Surrey), a yellow CRS with silver stripes which looked very much like the photo above in this thread and this one at just under USD 125k.
http://www.bramleyweb.co.uk/carsales/details.asp?StockID=1541 It looks as though the yellow one has now gone.
John.
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: keithjecks on February 19, 2007, 18:53:29: I tried the 212 myself once. It would not be right to describe it as wimpy - it was very fast, but for me just made the wrong noises, and the Lotus engine didn't seem to fit the character of the car
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: Chafford on February 20, 2007, 21:54:32: This is the only 212 S/C I've seen. Were there any others?

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/londres2012/AC212SC.jpg)
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: ak1234 on February 23, 2007, 00:28:27: Thats the baby in the pic ??? Love that look .. real hot.
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: nikbj68 on February 23, 2007, 06:50:14: quote:
Originally posted by Chafford
   This is the only 212 S/C I've seen. Were there any others?


   From the What`s New? (http://"http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=177") thread:

quote:
Originally posted by Malta
   ...2) There were two 212 SC's built. Both to my knowledge are with happy owners. The engine was a 3.5 ltr twin turbo, 350 hp, 300lb ft torque with 85% ot the torque available between 1500 and 5500 rpm and weighed less than 200 kg complete, with a 6 speed manual transmission. The total weight of the car was less than 1000kg, Lotus stopped development and production of the V8 engine hence it was no longer an option.

Ooops...didn`t see that you`d already highlighted John Owen`s reply in the 'General' forum. [:I]
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: MkIV Lux on March 01, 2007, 10:24:51: Here is another photo. Car looks unused yet (see totally clean exhaust) and unfinished (wind wings and rear view mirrors and rear fender protection missing). Interesting to note the special front spoiler.

   Is this chassis number CRS(L)9518??

   (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w34/MkIVLux/AC212.jpg)
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: Mark IV on March 01, 2007, 11:20:53: Note the front air "splitters" missing from other photos...

Rick
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: nikbj68 on March 01, 2007, 13:31:31: I like the 'stance' of it, and the exhausts exiting below the bodyline. Did the splitters not work very well?

Check out the molds to the right of the car.... look like toilets to me!!!
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: TLegate on March 01, 2007, 15:23:49: Check out the molds to the right of the car.... look like toilets to me!!!
   [/quote]

   I think that was Brian Angliss's other sideline. He knew where the money was, but I think we should be told!!
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: nikbj68 on March 01, 2007, 18:24:37: A collection of photographs from the archives of Trevor Legate:

   The Lotus V8 installed in 212: (note plaque stating "AC CAR GROUP", not CARS?)
   (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/Trevor%20Legate/AC_Cobras_213.jpg)

   Outside the Brooklands Factory:
   (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/Trevor%20Legate/AC_Cobras_018.jpg)

   Interior view:
   (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/Trevor%20Legate/AC_Cobras_004.jpg)

   Star in a reasonably fast car....Mark Blundell tries out 212:
   (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/Trevor%20Legate/AC_Cobras_230.jpg)

   ...And then a 'real' AC!!!:
   (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/Trevor%20Legate/AC_Cobras_250.jpg)

   AC212 & FiA (COB1001) on the Brooklands track:
   (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/Trevor%20Legate/AC_Cobras_174.jpg)
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: MkIV Lux on March 02, 2007, 08:16:12: Looking at the photo with Mark Blundell in the 212, I wonder if that cockpit is extra long or if he is so small. I'm just 180 cm tall and sitting in my MkIV, the seat almost touches the rear bulkhead.
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: Malta on March 02, 2007, 15:05:32: For info the CRS, 212 and MKV have extra leg room, the 212 also had carbon bucket seats, one would have to be exceptionally tall to have the seat back at the rear bulk head and be able to reach the pedals in a MKV

   Regards

   John Owen[8D]
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: Malta on March 02, 2007, 15:10:43: Check out the molds to the right of the car.... look like toilets to me!!!
   [/quote]

   Toilets!!!!![:0]

   They are a plaster mould of the prototype Aceca
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: MkIV Lux on March 02, 2007, 15:39:18: quote:
Originally posted by Malta

For info the CRS, 212 and MKV have extra leg room, the 212 also had carbon bucket seats, one would have to be exceptionally tall to have the seat back at the rear bulk head and be able to reach the pedals in a MKV

   Regards

   John Owen[8D]



   thanks John,

   that explains it all...
   regards
   Constant
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: Taff on March 05, 2007, 11:47:57: In case you're interested and hadn't seen, there is one for sale
   at http://www.dhctvr.co.uk/

   regards,
   Taff
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: Chafford on March 05, 2007, 17:57:49: quote:
Originally posted by Taff

In case you're interested and hadn't seen, there is one for sale
   at http://www.dhctvr.co.uk/

   regards,
   Taff



   I hope anyone paying £60,000 for this 212 S/C won't convert it into a 427.
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: MkIV Lux on March 06, 2007, 09:27:20: Comparing pics of the 212 with the (standard) CRS and the new Mk V, it is interesting to note that the 212 body already includes a distinctive feature of the Mk V, namely the positioning and mounting of directional indicators at the front and all lights at the back. Remember the 212 was produced for the 2000 London Motor Show.
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: nikbj68 on March 06, 2007, 09:32:15: quote:
Originally posted by Chafford


   I hope anyone paying £60,000 for this 212 S/C won't convert it into a 427.


   Agreed. OK, maybe the sound of the Lotus wasn`t to every V8 fan`s taste, but as an important milestone in AC`s evolution, let`s hope it stays 'as is'.
   One thing you`d have to have on the passenger seat at car shows is:
   (http://i11.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/8f/66/3d7d_1_b.JPG)
   For sale on EBAY (http://"http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AC-Cobra-212-S-C-Brochure-Prospekt-2002_W0QQitemZ180091901056QQihZ008QQcategoryZ36086QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem") for £2.99 + p&p.
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: Ian Rogers on March 13, 2007, 19:49:50: quote:
Originally posted by Chafford

This is the only 212 S/C I've seen. Were there any others?

   (http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/londres2012/AC212SC.jpg)



   Just to let you know that I was given a test run as a passenger in the 212 S/C. A few months later at the opening of the Rockingham Stadium the car was used as the pace car for the Nacar entrants. Neil Fisher of Redline Engineering was at the time with AC and he drove the car to the event & back. I am not sure who drove the car as the Nascar pace.
   There seems to be one car with front low spoilers and the other without. At the time the pace car was without but were these added as a later mod?

   Hope this helps.

   Regards

   Ian Rogers
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: Alan Faulkner-Stevens on March 18, 2007, 06:59:03: There is a red 212 currently for sale via an advert on the U.K based Autotrader web-site. It looks exactly like the photographs shown.
Alan Faulkner-Stevens
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: dave on April 10, 2007, 14:33:12: Would this 212 car actually have carried the "Cobra" name? (As in published on the reg docs.)[?]
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: duggan on December 29, 2007, 19:58:25: Hello All,

   Can't really believe I'm typing this - but I'm now the proud owner of X577 HRD (currently on the plate EA 15)[:)] - I missed out on it when it was for sale in 2004 but have managed to bag it this time. I picked it up from Harrogate today and had a blast down the M1 Motorway back to London.

   Initial impressions (in dry, but winter conditions) is a very fast car - very easy to spin the wheels up in gears 1-3 and hence had to be mindful of this on the way down. Its also very well built - the carbon weave is evident when raising either the boot or bonnet - quite stunning.

   Will take some pictures tomorrow and have a go at posting them here - today has been a true highlight[:p]

   New to the forum - usually post on pistonheads.com - one question - want to actively get involved in the AC Owners Club - when is the next meet?

   Thanks and hello

   James
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: runt on December 30, 2007, 23:03:50: Hi James,Congrats on your purchase and good to hear of your maiden voyage!

   A bell rang in my head and made me dig out 'Autocar World's Fastest Cars'; Xmas 2001, and there she is.. X577HRD in the 0-100 mph and back to nought, stunning in that red with the black wheels, some murmurs about traction etc; nothing new to Cobra people!

   With that Tremec six speed, yours should be quite economical @ cruising speed, great to hear of this car again, enjoy!

   Paul/runt.[:)]
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: terry3000me on December 31, 2007, 08:51:40: Hello James,
   Wellcome to AC ownership, is this your first AC?
   You mention in your thread you are London area, the AC Owners Club has two meetings:
   a) The last Thursday of each month at 7.30pm (with a couple of exceptions)at:
   The Kings Head,
   13 Westmoreland Street
   London W1
   (between New Cavendish Street and Marylebone Road)
   next meeting on 31 January
   and
   b)Third Sunday of each month at midday:
   The Barley Mow
   181 The Street
   West Horsley,
   Nr Guildford
   Surrey KT24 6HR
   next meeting is 20 January

   Trust you going to join the club as well.

   Happy New Year,
   Terry
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: duggan on December 31, 2007, 20:16:38: Hello Paul/Terry,

   Thanks for the information - I have to know now - what was the 0-100-0 of the car? [:D] I'll definitely be joining the club and will be rolling along to the pub meet at the end of January.

   Have a few photo's - not sure how to post them here? (but they're on pistonheads http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=476556&i=20)

   Have a Great New Year All[}:)]

   James
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: jbottini on December 31, 2007, 21:12:21: Congatulations, you are the owner of one of the most unique cars in AC's history. the lotus powertrain and CRS body differentiate from any other Cobra style car ever done. The frame is MKIII/MKIV and at the time they were done in UK, AC still had craftsman (not to say they don't now)and were still bespoke and truly handbuilt cars.
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: aaron on January 25, 2008, 23:17:09: quote:
Originally posted by Ian Rogers

quote:
Originally posted by Chafford

This is the only 212 S/C I've seen. Were there any others?

   (http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/londres2012/AC212SC.jpg)



   Just to let you know that I was given a test run as a passenger in the 212 S/C. A few months later at the opening of the Rockingham Stadium the car was used as the pace car for the Nacar entrants. Neil Fisher of Redline Engineering was at the time with AC and he drove the car to the event & back. I am not sure who drove the car as the Nascar pace.
   There seems to be one car with front low spoilers and the other without. At the time the pace car was without but were these added as a later mod?

   Hope this helps.

   Regards

   Ian Rogers



   It is the same car.
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: MkIV Lux on February 07, 2008, 16:54:09: James, congratulations for the acquisition of this most interesting mount, combining two of Britains most famous car manufacturers, AC and Lotus.

   Is this chassis number CRS(L)9518 ?

   Enjoy it!

   Constant
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: ak1234 on February 14, 2008, 01:09:24: James Congrats on "my favorite car ... real nice automobile.

Ron
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: duggan on February 14, 2008, 13:02:29: Hey,

   Yes its Chassis CRS(L)9518 - off to a Pistonheads.com meet (http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=490302) on Sunday, so I'll take a few Photo's of it then and post them on here.

   Cheers,

   James
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: dkp_cobra on July 02, 2009, 10:52:08: This car is currently for sale in germany.
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: nikbj68 on July 02, 2009, 14:35:24: quote:
Originally posted by dkp_cobra

This car is currently for sale in germany.


   It was on eBay (http://"http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130312706636&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:GB:1123") towards the end of June, but found no bidders there, starting @ 345k, Buy-it-now price of £60k...so it looks like James will get some summer motorin` to a Lotus soundtrack!
   If you`re looking in, James, have you considered advertising the 212 on HERE (http://"http://www.acownersclub.co.uk/ac_ads.asp")?
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: duggan on December 04, 2010, 19:01:20: Hello All,

   A couple of years ownership under my belt and thought I'd update the thread with a few more photos:

   Picking it up with my Dad
   (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ZEBV5iudYyY/SYYAily7paI/AAAAAAAAAs8/J1WIXlDZl-A/s640/France2007%20119.jpg)
   (http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ZEBV5iudYyY/S9NTa1zi3YI/AAAAAAAAB5Q/Rj5HF3RY_Z4/s640/Comp%20005.jpg)
   (http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZEBV5iudYyY/S9NWY0TUF_I/AAAAAAAAB6Q/xsBeoE73UOw/s640/Octane%20Shoot%20005.jpg)
   (http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZEBV5iudYyY/TAKHAK44uSI/AAAAAAAAB88/AnJIghbuJqQ/s640/Ferrari%20Van%20%26%20AC%20Cobra%20043.jpg)
   (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ZEBV5iudYyY/StnEeMU-SFI/AAAAAAAABsA/LqI3Jq9xf8M/s640/Ferrari%20Van%20%26%20AC%20Cobra%20015.jpg)
   (http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZEBV5iudYyY/S8CcqxOv0xI/AAAAAAAAB4U/1QVXzNIIag8/s720/34.jpg)
   (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ZEBV5iudYyY/S8Ccs_I4sfI/AAAAAAAAB4g/8iBbWmZ4wPM/s640/Ferrari%20Van%20%26%20AC%20Cobra%20006.jpg)
   With the new hardtop (Mrs Duggan trying to look interested!)
   (http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZEBV5iudYyY/TPqPbmlSkyI/AAAAAAAACKk/WKBzPFnWlb0/s640/Chelsea%20Auto%20Legends%20041.jpg)
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: dkp_cobra on December 06, 2010, 06:48:22: Is it just my notebook or are these pictures not perfect [:)]
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: nikbj68 on December 06, 2010, 10:10:17: They look pretty darned good to me!!!
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: dkp_cobra on December 06, 2010, 13:07:19: quote:
Originally posted by dkp_cobra

Is it just my notebook or are these pictures not perfect [:)]



   Seems to be a problem with my computer. Now, it's fine for me too.
Title: AC 212 SC
Post by: duggan on December 19, 2010, 19:16:12: Found this topgear clip with my car on it - enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93kJAZGusuw