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Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Chafford on September 13, 2011, 13:26:34: September's excellent 'ACtion' notes that an organising committee is being set up with the aim to assemble 'the greatest ever number of these cars in Europe and hopefully the world. No location had been considered other than Northern Europe'.

   Given that all versions of the 60s Cobra were built in England, my view is that the event should also be held in England. Brooklands comes to mind even though it was used for the 60th Anniversary International in 2009.

   I also think that more recent versions of the Cobra and derivitives produced by AC should be included in the event. This would recognise the role that Brian Angliss in particular (and his employees) played in raising the profile of the car after the 1960s, and allow many more AC owners to bring their cars to the event (and would help reach that world record target!!).

   What views do others have on this site?
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: rstainer on September 14, 2011, 21:26:04: England is in Northern Europe
The Committee is anxious to make the three-day event as accessible to as many period cobra owners as possible. These include owners in Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Holland, Sweden and Switzerland, who collectively own the majority of period cobras in Europe
The size of the event is restricted by the availability of appropriate hotels
All prior experience leads to a single conclusion: the aim, the greatest number of period cobras, will only be achieved by restricting the event to period cobras. This is true both of the UK (the 2007 Sparkford event) and Continental Europe (see ACtion pages 26 to 30.


   I will set up a separate thread on the Thames Ditton Cobra Forum shortly, when the date and location has been finalise by the Organising Committee.

   The Council always welcomes event suggestions from members prepared to organise them. Constant advice to others without volunteering any personal action is wearing.
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: ANF289 on September 16, 2011, 18:46:57: quote:
Originally posted by rstainer

The Council always welcomes event suggestions from members prepared to organise them. Constant advice to others without volunteering any personal action is wearing.



   So is your negative outlook and repeated attempts to stifle communication, Robin. I rather enjoy Chafford’s comments, and look forward to reading more. Pity he was counseled (no doubt by a council member) to remove many of his earlier posts.

   Sorry, it’s my Yankee origin that just makes my engine boil when anyone tries to impose their superior rules on someone else. ...now THAT is wearing.

   Art
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Gus Meyjes on September 16, 2011, 19:07:21: I will second that...

Gus
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Chafford on September 16, 2011, 22:11:49: I think the issue that needs to be addressed is that the MkIV is a genuine Cobra and should therefore be included in any ACOC events for the Cobra. The 50th in Northern Europe should be used as an opportunity to celebrate 'AC' as well as the 'Cobra' and including the MkIV will help to do this.

There could even be a separate space at the event for Cobra shaped cars produced by AC and AC Heritage after the 1960s. The current apartheid between some owners of the 'Thames Ditton' cars and those who own the later cars is divisive - there should be no place for it in the ACOC!
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: AEX566 on September 16, 2011, 22:16:22: Censorship and personal attack doesn't belong here. Gentlemen, (and ladies), do we have a quorum?
Art
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: C9OBY on September 17, 2011, 07:49:04: I too agree.

   Furthermore, a question regarding the following point of view:

quote:
Originally posted by rstainer



All prior experience leads to a single conclusion: the aim, the greatest number of period cobras, will only be achieved by restricting the event to period cobras. This is true both of the UK (the 2007 Sparkford event) and Continental Europe (see ACtion pages 26 to 30.




   I still do not understand (or agree) with an approach that specifically excludes other AC cars from these events.

   If you were a 50 year-old having a birthday party, would you exclude your children from attending your celebrations? I can appreciate that you might be selective about non-family members, but your direct descendants? Unless, of course, you do not believe that your children are legitimate, which says something about the 50 year-old, not the children...

   The recent AC gathering at Thames Ditton was an all-round success, with a significant number of cars and supporters of the club in attendance. However, there were hardly any period Cobra's. If period Cobra's are only comfortable attending period-Cobra-only events, then recent experience tells us that they are less interested in supporting the interests of the club, and more interested in some sort of snobbery.

   This ongoing segregation within the club is damaging to the long term membership and reputation of the club.

   One last point - if attendance at an event is restricted by the number of hotel beds, then the organisers are not very good at organising. What a poor excuse, when you consider the number of people attending all the other ACOC events in recent years, including Internationals and the annual dinner/dance, for whom accommodation was never a problem.
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Chafford on September 17, 2011, 13:36:34: quote:
Originally posted by rstainer

   All prior experience leads to a single conclusion: the aim, the greatest number of period cobras, will only be achieved by restricting the event to period cobras. This is true both of the UK (the 2007 Sparkford event) and Continental Europe (see ACtion pages 26 to 30.[/*]


   Robin

   You'll find that the latter meeting - 'Snakebite! The Original Cobra Weekend'- included a green Ace 2.6 (page 28, second row in the ACtion picture) which rather weakens your argument about exclusivity.

   You can see the Ace at 1:24 in the attached video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjp57yZcZo4&feature=player_detailpage

   Now imagine the following cars participating in the 50th Anniversary Cobra meeting in 2012:

   (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Vt2FvrDping/TmOuBpHOqrI/AAAAAAAACqY/InYlPAzqfns/s640/Chelsea%252520AutoLegends%252520028.jpg)

   (http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/c9oby/repairs/2.jpg)

   (http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/c9oby/cars/new_canon_036.jpg)

   Can I therefore suggest that the Council asks a sample of owners of MkIVs, CRSs, 212s, Superblowers and other AC Continuations whether they would like to exhibit their cars at the 50th anniversary meeting - you could even start with the owners of the 3 cars shown above who post on the site and who will be well known to you.


   Mark
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Gus Meyjes on September 17, 2011, 16:49:33: Would love to be part of an all inclusive event!! I'd bring RS 5038[;)]

   But, of course, I live state side, so that's not happening.

   I appreciate Bruce's and Mark's comments. (among others) in support of a club that is inclusive and does not segregate. Great analogy on the children...

   Gus
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Chafford on September 18, 2011, 09:30:26: Based on the 2010 ACOC Membership list:

   1960s Cobras

   35 UK members own 37 cars.
   8 European members own 10 cars.

   Post 1960s Cobras (MkIV, Superblower, CRS, MkIII Continuation)

   75 UK members own 78 cars.
   9 European members own 9 cars.

   Of the above:

   1 member owns 3 '60s cars.
   3 members own 2 '60s cars.
   3 members own 2 post '60s cars.
   4 members own 1 '60s car and 1 post '60s car.


   Which emphasises the importance of owners of post 1960s Cobras to the ACOC and the need to accommodate them in next year's 50th Cobra Anniversary event.
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: ANF289 on September 19, 2011, 19:50:01: quote:
Originally posted by Gus Meyjes

Would love to be part of an all inclusive event!! I'd bring RS 5038[;)]

   But, of course, I live state side...
It is one thing for my wife to tell me I can't put the Mk IV on a boat so we can attend an ACOC all-cobra event, it's quite another for the ACOC to put up a "not wanted" sign. Brings to mind W.C. Fields’ famous quote: “I like to keep a bottle of stimulant handy in case I see a snake, which I also keep handy”. No not that one, I really meant the one by Groucho Marx: “Please accept my resignation. I don't want to belong to any club that will accept people like me (Mk IV owners) as a member”.[:D]
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Gus Meyjes on September 19, 2011, 22:16:17: Does anybody know Dr. Kay Hafner?
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Chafford on September 19, 2011, 22:49:46: quote:
Originally posted by Gus Meyjes

Does anybody know Dr. Kay Hafner?




   Gus

   Try emailing Michael Cassel '1984MkIV' on this site.


   Mark
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: TLegate on September 19, 2011, 23:09:25: Never heard of him :-)

I think 'Michael Cassel' is an anogram of Angelina Joile (but I was always c**p at anograms..)
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: bobbylangley on September 19, 2011, 23:29:05: And spelling Trev, it's anagrams...
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Gus Meyjes on September 20, 2011, 00:32:01: [:D][:D]
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: SB7015 on September 20, 2011, 01:26:29: Why don't all AC Cobra MkIV, CRS & Superblowers have our own event at Brooklands? We can put together a higher quantity of better turned out of cars at any event. We don't really need Thames Ditton Cobra to make up the numbers but all AC Cars would be welcome?
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Gus Meyjes on September 20, 2011, 02:06:06: [:)][:)][:D][:D][:D][:D]
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: TLegate on September 20, 2011, 10:20:20: Thanks Bob - I knew that but forgot you should never try posting when tired (and quite emotional) Funny the things that come into your brain circa 3a.m. Decided not to come downstairs and edit my posting. So the world-famous orfer is dammmmed forever, innit.

Anyway, if anyone decides to hold a gathering on the banks of the Rhine (or the Rhein, or any other european river for that matter) I'm sure it will be successful. I also think Cap Ferrat would have much to recommend it as a base :-) Just throwin' ideas out there....
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: rstainer on September 20, 2011, 10:24:22: As with the recent Düsseldorf (ACtion pages 26-30) and Sparkford gatherings, Cobra Fifty is an invitation-only event supported by the Club but not organised by the ACOC. All owners of Thames Ditton Cobras and family members will be invited to attend with their cars.

The Club is exploring a 50th anniversary proposal to have a Cobra-only race at UK circuit, but hasn’t yet received any other suggestions from members who offer to carry their proposals forward. The Club always supports member proposals, provided they promote the preservation and enjoyment of cars built by AC and don’t put Club funds to excess risk.
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: nikbj68 on September 20, 2011, 11:29:01: quote:
Originally posted by C9OBY...If you were a 50 year-old having a birthday party, would you exclude your children from attending your celebrations? ...
I like that analogy, but despite my well-known liking for the MkIV`s, Continuations etc, I`m on the side of the Thames Ditton cars on this.

   So yes, it`s your 50th birthday party, but it isn`t your kids` 50th birthday too, is it? Only the birthday boy gets the bumps, it`s the rest of us that need to hoist him up!
   Whilst supporting the event in ANY AC would be great, and to be encouraged, You didn`t get Jaguar XK120`s or XK8`s parading at Silverstone with the E-Types.
   You couldn`t race your MkIV alongside a MkII or MkIII Cobra in Historic formula racing.

   What we don`t need is people who don`t own a T.D Cobra being told to "Eff Off" with their "piece of sh*t" as was heard by my Dad at the Haynes Day! (Some did too, and I don`t blame them.)
   Don`t forget that it`s also the GTO`s anniversary next year too, so there needs to be a serious effort to pull together as many Cobras as possible at the Big events like The Silverstone Classic, Goodwood (FOS & Rev) etc. and win the Cobra-Ferrari war!
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Chafford on September 20, 2011, 13:38:22: quote:
Originally posted by nikbj68

quote:
Originally posted by C9OBY...If you were a 50 year-old having a birthday party, would you exclude your children from attending your celebrations? ...
I like that analogy, but despite my well-known liking for the MkIV`s, Continuations etc, I`m on the side of the Thames Ditton cars on this.

   So yes, it`s your 50th birthday party, but it isn`t your kids` 50th birthday too, is it? Only the birthday boy gets the bumps, it`s the rest of us that need to hoist him up!
   Whilst supporting the event in ANY AC would be great, and to be encouraged, You didn`t get Jaguar XK120`s or XK8`s parading at Silverstone with the E-Types.
   You couldn`t race your MkIV alongside a MkII or MkIII Cobra in Historic formula racing.

   What we don`t need is people who don`t own a T.D Cobra being told to "Eff Off" with their "piece of sh*t" as was heard by my Dad at the Haynes Day! (Some did too, and I don`t blame them.)
   Don`t forget that it`s also the GTO`s anniversary next year too, so there needs to be a serious effort to pull together as many Cobras as possible at the Big events like The Silverstone Classic, Goodwood (FOS & Rev) etc. and win the Cobra-Ferrari war!


   Nik

   I would agree that historic racing should be the exclusive preserve of the '60s cars. However, surely there is no harm in allowing MKIV owners to exhibit their cars (possibly in a separate MkIV area) at the event (or even race in a separate MKIV race).

   I'm also unsure about your XK120 and XK8 analogy - wouldn't it only apply if the ACs in question were, for example, 2 litre Saloons and 3000MEs?

   The fundamental issue that the ACOC needs to resolve is the definition of a Cobra (Not again! [B)][B)]). Once there is agreement on that in the Club, many of these Thames Ditton / Non-Thames Ditton issues should be resolved. The Club could then take the line that it would only support Cobra events which MKIV owners can attend.

   And on a general note, we need to ensure that people like Bruce and James Malone, who make this site interesting and enjoyable, are supported and encouraged.


   Mark
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: TLegate on September 20, 2011, 15:36:01: As stated previously, the european gathering, Cobra Fifty, is by invitation sent to owners of AC and Shelby Cobras as listed in the chassis registry of AC Cars Ltd. In my world, this ended in 1968 with the AC289 Sports. All that followed belong in another category, regardless of who built them and where or when.

This is not to say that there should not be another little knees-up organised elsewhere for all the cars that come under the Cobra banner, regardless of the period in which they happen to be built. If anyone here happens to own a race circuit or most of Wiltshire, then let them come foward and offer their facility. I'll bring the ginger beer......
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: CRS9505 on September 20, 2011, 15:53:31: Mark,
   Perhaps the answer for us MkVI/CRS Cobra owners is to have our own officially sanctioned AC Club events and not to crash other people's parties.
   That way if we have more events (and maybe more fun [:)]) then some of the original Cobra owners and their original cars would come to our gatherings as esteemed guests of honour.

   A bit like inviting your granny to your 21st party, everyone is happy to see her even though she leaves before the dancing and you know she's only doing it out of duty. [:o)]
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: C9OBY on September 20, 2011, 15:55:14: quote:
Originally posted by TLegate

As stated previously, the european gathering, Cobra Fifty, is by invitation sent to owners of AC and Shelby Cobras as listed in the chassis registry of AC Cars Ltd. In my world, this ended in 1968 with the AC289 Sports. All that followed belong in another category, regardless of who built them and where or when.

   This is not to say that there should not be another little knees-up organised elsewhere for all the cars that come under the Cobra banner, regardless of the period in which they happen to be built. If anyone here happens to own a race circuit or most of Wiltshire, then let them come foward and offer their facility. I'll bring the ginger beer......



   I agree Trev. Interestingly, following a very useful and informative conversation with a council member this afternoon, I now understand that an ACOC sanctioned event (separate to the invitation-only event) is already undergoing discussions. Hopefully we'll be seeing something on the topic either here or in ACtion very soon [:)]

   In support, I've volunteered my services, so some 'track action' is almost guaranteed!
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Chafford on September 20, 2011, 19:13:37: quote:
Originally posted by TLegate

Never heard of him :-)

   I think 'Michael Cassel' is an anogram of Angelina Joile (but I was always c**p at anograms..)



   You'll be able to tell him if he brings his MkIV to a Cobra meeting. [;)][;)]
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: 1984MkIV on September 20, 2011, 20:34:22: quote:
Originally posted by Chafford

quote:
Originally posted by TLegate

Never heard of him :-)

   I think 'Michael Cassel' is an anogram of Angelina Joile (but I was always c**p at anograms..)



   You'll be able to tell him if he brings his MkIV to a Cobra meeting. [;)][;)]



   I´m still thinking about my identity. Am I Angelina? Am I Anna Gram? Will let you know my coming out ...
   My unknown identity looked at it´s cell phone and yes, Kay Hafner is part of the adressbook. However - I know other ones contributing this forum who know him better ...

   Just to make a statement - a suitable ground for a continental meeting would be the "Green Hell" or Spa Francorchamps or any other historic Cobra battle field. Accomodations wouldn´t be a problem around the green hell.

   Probably there will be several meetings in the US. Lynn P. told me, he intends to organize two meetings. Cobra´s will be featured at Goodwood and Monterey and I guess there will be many more events featuring Cobras. SAAC, Shelby American Museum, ...


   Best.

   Angie, Anna and schizophrenic friends
   (will put on my favourite T-shirt for the fifties anniversary meeting - front side: "I am schizophrenic"; back side: "Me, too")
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: shep on September 20, 2011, 21:19:51: Blimey! I have a short snooze and it all kicks off again! I will be at the Council meeting a week next Thursday and will be interested in the discussion about ACOC events. As far as I am concerned, anyone can organise their own party and invite whoever they like, BUT not as an ACOC event! We are an inclusive club where ALL members are welcome to bring their ACs out to play. It's great to have a celebration of a model's jubilee, but everyone should be welcome to celebrate, not a clique of favoured chums. Here endeth the reading.
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: TLegate on September 20, 2011, 22:20:11: Hi Michael: You're not the only one here with a schizophrenic backside. (okay, I'll leave now...)
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Chafford on September 20, 2011, 22:23:57: quote:
Originally posted by shep

Blimey! I have a short snooze and it all kicks off again! I will be at the Council meeting a week next Thursday and will be interested in the discussion about ACOC events. As far as I am concerned, anyone can organise their own party and invite whoever they like, BUT not as an ACOC event! We are an inclusive club where ALL members are welcome to bring their ACs out to play. It's great to have a celebration of a model's jubilee, but everyone should be welcome to celebrate, not a clique of favoured chums. Here endeth the reading.




   Sounds positive to me! [:D][:D]
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: 1984MkIV on September 20, 2011, 23:04:04: [/quote]Sounds positive to me! [:D][:D]
[/quote]
Yip. We are conform with your opinion (Angelina, Anna and me) [:D][:D][:D].
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: hawk289 on September 20, 2011, 23:18:36: Andy,

   You as normal are spot on, I like events that all members can attend. When I run the sprint, one of the highlights is seeing new and old AC's arriving and everyone having a great time. I can not make the next committee meeting due to being in the US. What I would really like to see is how the Cobra over 50 years has changed, but not lost its brand. Each version has history that is special we are not talking about a ford focus.

   Consider the people who worked in Brooklands who hand built the car. Many of them are good friends and craftsman in the old school way. Anyway, lets see another cracking AC event, rather than look at the negatives.

   Back to work....

   John
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Chafford on September 20, 2011, 23:21:44: quote:
Originally posted by hawk289

Andy,

   You as normal are spot on, I like events that all members can attend. When I run the sprint, one of the highlights is seeing new and old AC's arriving and everyone having a great time. I can not make the next committee meeting due to being in the US. What I would really like to see is how the Cobra over 50 years has changed, but not lost its brand. Each version has history that is special we are not talking about a ford focus.

   Consider the people who worked in Brooklands who hand built the car. Many of them are good friends and craftsman in the old school way. Anyway, lets see another cracking AC event, rather than look at the negatives.

   Back to work....

   John



   And those who still build them in Brooklands! [:)] (and Heyda [;)])
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: hawk289 on September 20, 2011, 23:42:05: I would like to see how the AC cobra has developed over the years, when we did the last brooklands event we had each set of cars grouped by version, so we had Shelby Cobra's, MkIV, CRS, etc. It was really nice seeing each variant, so why not. Look the guys who build AC heritage cars are mostly the same people who built the MKIV, etc.

   I really would not care if non-AC cars turned up, I have built kit cobra's and must say the quality in most is pretty good. The point being I would want to know that a car from the 60's was from the 60's and not built last week. That why having each variant on show would be a nice way to see how the Cobra was developed.

   I'm sure this will be discussed, last point if you pay membership then you should be able to turn up without feeling excluded. As the Cobra will be of focus then a special location, etc. should be defined to focus on the one model. But seeing Aceca's, Ace's and Brooklands, etc. would be great.

   Very last point, we are celebrating to variant of AC, so lets all join in, it is one of the most iconic / copied cars on the plant and tells an interesting story. So seeing the story from the start to now would be cool!
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Gus Meyjes on September 21, 2011, 02:36:21: I'm looking for one of these fine examples of AC cars to bring to the celebrations...[:D]

   (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p222/AEX674/MKVI.jpg)

   Maybe anna, angelina but not the schizo backside, wanna go for a ride with me...

   Anyone wants to sell one?
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: aaron on September 21, 2011, 17:44:23: Now there is a thought , an RAC TT Race at Goodwood next year with 25 250 GTO`s and 25 TD Cobra`s !!
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Chafford on September 21, 2011, 21:05:09: quote:
Originally posted by hawk289

I would like to see how the AC cobra has developed over the years, when we did the last brooklands event we had each set of cars grouped by version, so we had Shelby Cobra's, MkIV, CRS, etc. It was really nice seeing each variant, so why not. Look the guys who build AC heritage cars are mostly the same people who built the MKIV, etc.

   I really would not care if non-AC cars turned up, I have built kit cobra's and must say the quality in most is pretty good. The point being I would want to know that a car from the 60's was from the 60's and not built last week. That why having each variant on show would be a nice way to see how the Cobra was developed.

   I'm sure this will be discussed, last point if you pay membership then you should be able to turn up without feeling excluded. As the Cobra will be of focus then a special location, etc. should be defined to focus on the one model. But seeing Aceca's, Ace's and Brooklands, etc. would be great.

   Very last point, we are celebrating to variant of AC, so lets all join in, it is one of the most iconic / copied cars on the plant and tells an interesting story. So seeing the story from the start to now would be cool!



   I have to agree with these sentiments and don't see a problem if a separate area were set aside at events for such cars, which like it or not, are an integral part of the history of the Cobra.
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: ACOCArch on September 22, 2011, 01:06:34: Quote
Originally posted by Gus Meyjes

I'm looking for one of these fine examples of AC cars to bring to the celebrations...[:D]

   Must have had a footwell ventilation problem - the engine is at the rear!

   A Fastback version is for sale just now on e-bay #230674025944.

   Beware! In case you are interested, despite the heading and the similarities this example was made by Invacar Ltd, not AC Cars.
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Gus Meyjes on September 22, 2011, 03:22:43: It would have to be a genuine AC!! How could I go to the AC anniversary celebrations otherwise..

   Or were these made by Invacar, under license from AC, much like some other, more modern, versions?

   Gus
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: Gus Meyjes on September 22, 2011, 03:42:58: Ok, I educated myself. Little piece of British history on taking care of the less fortunate. So how successful was the government on destroying these? I suppose it would not matter who made the Invacar, AC or Thundersley since they were the same model... But, it would not be real, if AC did not make it, and I don't want to start THAT conversation again...[;)]
Title: Cobra 50th Anniversary 2012 - Ideas for Event??
Post by: ANF289 on September 22, 2011, 16:37:31: quote:
Originally posted by Gus Meyjes

Ok, I educated myself. Little piece of British history on taking care of the less fortunate. So how successful was the government on destroying these? I suppose it would not matter who made the Invacar, AC or Thundersley since they were the same model... But, it would not be real, if AC did not make it, and I don't want to start THAT conversation again...[;)]

...or original for that matter!