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Title: Ace/Aceca over riders - later type/mk 2 type
Post by: tim isles on January 18, 2012, 09:33:59: Some months ago there was discussion regarding the availability of original style over riders for Aces and Acecas, and it was noted that the firm 'Small Ford Spares' offered a very similar looking item for the 'upright' Pop. Having bought a set I can confirm that the item offered, part # E493A-17996-B, is an accurate reproduction of the original part fitted by ACs. It's made in the same way (stamped mild steel) so it's light, the fixing method (single bolt into the bumper iron) is the same, and the chrome appears reasonable. Price is £40 each plus VAT.

Tim
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: lew on January 18, 2012, 11:57:41: quite correct.
   i have made up the bumpers,used the ford over riders and all looks good

   Lew
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: dkp_cobra on April 12, 2012, 08:31:39: Is it possible that someone of you have ordered all of these overriders from "Small Ford Spares"? They are sold out [xx(] Do you know some other source?
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: Bill P on February 28, 2013, 10:15:10: Thought I would revive this thread as Old Ford Spares have not been able to progress new supplies. Does anyone know of a different source or can identify any other make the overriders were fitted to apart from the E93A Popular and possibly Standard 10?

Thank you, Bill
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: dkp_cobra on February 28, 2013, 13:46:55: Very good question. I am also still interested.
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: Robin A Woolmer on March 01, 2013, 18:59:24: Hawk Cars have the original Ace type as well as the types used on the 2.6 Ford engine Ace as well as Cobra types.

Robin
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: BBK on March 01, 2013, 21:57:51: quote:
Originally posted by Robin A Woolmer

Hawk Cars have the original Ace type as well as the types used on the 2.6 Ford engine Ace as well as Cobra types.

   Robin


   Yes.....that is correct. I ordered new over riders from Gerry a number of months ago for my Mk IV. They look fantastic. So, I imagine they would be just as nice for an Ace.
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: Gus Meyjes on March 04, 2013, 18:43:30: I got mine for the Aceca from Gerry.
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: Klassik Metall on March 04, 2013, 19:37:44: Just out of interest are Gerry's over riders cast or pressed like the originals?

Luke.
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: Robin A Woolmer on March 04, 2013, 22:13:53: They are cast Aluminium, the only steel ones of similar shape appear to be for a Morris Minor but have flanges each side of the bumper cut out, also the fixing plate inside may not be in the correct place, Gerry has explained that tooling costs would be very high with small volume take off. He believes the cast aluminium ones are very good though!
Robin
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on March 04, 2013, 23:45:19: .
 .
 Whether they are cast or pressed steel they serve the same purpose..... Protection of the vunerable Aluminium front and rear of the Ace or Aceca..[:)]

 The Small Ford Spares Over Riders are chrome plated pressed steel with correct authentic shape and fixing, Where as the "Hawk" units are Cast and not authentic in material or fixing..[;)]

 But better than nothing. [;)] and will suffice till one locates correct ones from a Ford or from a Standard 8 or 10. ( these appear to be identical to the
original mK2 Over rider fitted to Ace and Aceca's post October 1955)

 Sorry notot Familiar with Cobra over riders so........ No Comment..[:(][:)]

 Keith..[:)]
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: dkp_cobra on March 20, 2013, 14:53:27: Monday I received my overriders vom Hawk. They look great [:)]. Today I received an e-mail from http://www.smallfordspares.co.uk/ that the overriders E493A-17996-B will be avaiable again end of the week and they will be cheaper [xx(]
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: dkp_cobra on March 23, 2013, 15:12:27: As Keith mentioned the over riders of Hawk have a different mounting position:

   (https://i.postimg.cc/DZDSZnwT/IMGP6604.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQYjHFW6)

   Left the original over riders, right the Hawk over riders. The mounting point is a little bit higher so the over riders are coming lower. The are heavier than the original but have a high quality appearance.
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on March 24, 2013, 10:41:17: .
   dkp-cobra.........

   Nice to see comparison of Genuine units alongside Hawk version, thanks for posting pictures..[;)]

   Good News to hear "SmallFordSpares" have had new batch of over riders manufactured, word of caution, Whilst visiting thier web site a year or two ago, I thought they produced two or three variants.[?]

   All very good quality but best check before ordering.[;)].

   Cheers..

   Keith..[:)]
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: lew on March 28, 2013, 11:48:30: The ones I recd from SmallFordSpares are exactly as in the pics
Very happy with their service and quality
Lew
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on March 29, 2013, 11:04:19: Lew & dkp

   For those interested in buying a overrider or two for their Ace /Aceca please find lnk below, Picture of latest batch of Small Ford Spares over riders..

   http://www.smallfordspares.co.uk/products/e493a-17996-b-over-rider-upright-pattern

   There appeare to have been two version for securing the over rider to the bumper iron/ bracket. The version shown is more secure in as much the whole bolt needs to come adrift before one looses the Over rider, Where as the other version relied on the bolt head to hold/ keep the over rider securely in place..[;)]



   Keith..[:)]
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: alnmary on April 02, 2013, 19:15:57: On either the Hawk over rider or the Small Ford Spares over rider - how do you guys keep the over riders from rotating about the bolt or stud that holds the over rider onto the bracket? Attaching by only 1 fastener enables the over rider to rotate the fastener no matter how tight you tighten the fastener - how do you keep this from happening? If the over rider was being fastened/locked to a bumper this would not be a problem but this normally isn't done with most Ace Aces as the over rider is out there by itself attached to the bracket.
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on April 03, 2013, 00:49:38: .
   Alnmary

   The Overrider Bracket is a snug fit inside the Overrider and in turn is bolted to through the Ali Body via two bolts. Do you have the correct genuine shape Overrider brackets..[?].

   Please confirm your email address and I will photograph a spare bracket and confirm dimensions. very easy to reproduce accurate copies.


   Keith
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: alnmary on April 04, 2013, 04:15:52: Keith - I would appreciate a photo of the bracket and see if mine's the correct style. Email me at speedway2742@gmail.com Thanks!

Al
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on April 04, 2013, 10:42:27: .
   Al

   Photos taken and sent via my Blackberry.

   The approx overall length of overrider bracket is 180mm.
   material 4 mm thick by 20 mm wide.

   widest point 40mm.

   Photos taken with bracket on graph paper to help with dimensions..[;)]

   Hopefully details suffice, if not please contact via email.

   Cheers

   Keith ..[:)]
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on April 05, 2013, 00:49:31: .
   Alan.

   Further to recent exchange of emails, Will get four over-rider brackets made up to correct specification and arrange to get them over to New York..[;)]..

   Cheers for Now

   Keith..[:)]
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: nikbj68 on April 05, 2013, 10:58:09: Oh Keith! You know what will happen next....The orders will start flooding in! [:0]
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: nikbj68 on April 05, 2013, 18:46:14: Here`s what the brackets look like:

   (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/Aceoverriderbracket02_zps7114b93f.jpg)

   (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/Aceoverriderbracket03_zps31d2a469.jpg)
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on April 06, 2013, 00:28:39: .
   Alan

   Re: The photograph, rear view of BEX472 (when it still had red Dash).

   The over rider brackets fitted to the rear of your Ace Bristol BEX472 were designed to fit the extended rear bodywork of a Aceca or to accomodate the twin tubular
   bumper set up....[;)]

   Keith
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on April 30, 2013, 21:03:04: .
 Alan
 Set of 4 Over Rider Brackets, Packed and will be in transit to New York< Tomorrow Wednesday 1st May.

 The Front pair bolt direct to Bodywork (require rubber gasket or suitable gasket) whilst the rear brackets are stepped off bodywork via aluminium spacers. (not supplied).

 Cheers

 Keith ..[:)]
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on January 26, 2014, 17:56:25: .

   Antoine

   Had a jig made and a batch of 24 Over rider brackets made.Reference advert in the December 2013/January 2014 issue of ACtion.[;)]
   The brackets are to secure the Over rider directly to the front bodywork to the Ace and Aceca,Whilst spacer collars are required to correctly align and position the rear bracket/ over riders.
    Please Note these brackets are not designed to occommadate the bumper tubes.

   Please refere to pictures on this thread.[;)]


   Keith.. ..[:)]
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: B.P.Bird on January 27, 2014, 16:07:42: Interesting and useful discussion - here is a complication: These are early photographs of AE22 & 23, you can see that the overriders have no cutouts for the bumper bar. When did A.C. change to the E93A type ? Was it to accommodate the tubular bumper bars option ? Failing an identification of the source (Wilmot Breeden ?)of this early type I will fit the Ford ones discussed here, but it would be better to preserve the early differences if anyone can shed some light on the origins of these overriders. I suppose the cut outs could be welded up and dressed for replating.....

   AE22
   (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w363/BPBird/AE22Coffeyville8May55_zpse55bb527.jpg)

   AE22
   (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w363/BPBird/7_zps468dc69c.jpg)

   AE23
   (http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w363/BPBird/AE23_zps3e845e66.jpg)
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on June 06, 2014, 21:38:19: .
   .
   Ed Mazula.

   Further to your recent email, I have revitalised this thread to make it easier for you to find. Will confirm dimensions later this weekend.[;)]

   The Over rider brackets I had fabricated fit the Ace front and rear and the Aceca front.(minus twin tube bumpers)

   I notice from pictures of your Aceca BEX782 on California Mille in 2004 and 2009 is fitted with the extended Aceca over rider brackets to accomodate twin tube bumpers and clear the rear bodywork.

   My brackets will fit the front clip and bring your over rides closer to the bodywork assuming you don't run bumper tubes.

   Without the twin bumper tubes your existing over riders stand well clear up front, maybe a little too clear... personal view.[B)]

   Cheers for Now

   Keith..[:)]
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on July 25, 2016, 23:36:49: .
   Tim Pearce and Phil Jones
   .
   In response to our phone conversations last weekend.

   To answer some of your questions please refer to this thread.
   I have instructed my local blacksmith to dig out our jig and produce a fresh batch of a dozen Over Rider brackets.

   Phil, I can bring a set up to the ACOC National in August if you want.[?]
   Tim I can drop off a set of four to your home next time I travel down to North Devon to visit Barry and Craig, mid /late August, just give me a call or email...[;)]

   Keith.. [:)]
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: tim isles on July 26, 2016, 09:37:00: Keith, I have a pair of the extended bumper irons which you are welcome to. I think they are standard fit to the rear of an Aceca, and were also used on front and rear of an Ace when the tubular bumpers were fitted? You might wish to get a few pairs made up as there may be a small demand? Tim. PS. I have a spare set of original over riders if you are asked for them. They need re-chroming.
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: tim isles on July 26, 2016, 10:04:12: Barrie, Did you ever find out where/who made the very early over riders? From the pictures I have it seems the change over may have taken place around AE 89. I have pictures of AE 88 with the early type, and Hap Dressel's AE 90 at Sebring appears to have the later type. You can maybe add to this? Tim
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: B.P.Bird on July 26, 2016, 23:15:44: Tim,
Regrettably I have no further information on the early over rider. Quite frustrating. Possibly I could persuade myself that the photographs shew a very shallow cut out so that a close fit would be obtained with a blade bumper. Perhaps Thames Ditton had something in stores left over from the thirties era ? Of course the 2 litre saloon had blade bumpers, but I think the over riders are different, being the right shape although markedly flanged where they sit on the blade. Perhaps the supplier for the 2 litre made up a lighter version for the Ace ?
Nothing but speculation I'm afraid. A sample or some close up pictures would help.
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: nikbj68 on July 27, 2016, 23:24:42: Here are some better detail shots of AE65, from the Lessiter archive:

   (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/AC%20Ace%20AE%2065/image.jpg3_zpscmyvsexp.jpg) (http://"http://s134.photobucket.com/user/nikbj68/media/AC%20Ace%20AE%2065/image.jpg3_zpscmyvsexp.jpg.html")

   (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/AC%20Ace%20AE%2065/image.jpg2_zps9lf8cajy.jpg) (http://"http://s134.photobucket.com/user/nikbj68/media/AC%20Ace%20AE%2065/image.jpg2_zps9lf8cajy.jpg.html")

   (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/AC%20Ace%20AE%2065/image.jpg1_zpsxk2dyqxi.jpg) (http://"http://s134.photobucket.com/user/nikbj68/media/AC%20Ace%20AE%2065/image.jpg1_zpsxk2dyqxi.jpg.html")
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on July 28, 2016, 00:45:51: .

 Barrie.

 The above photos of AE65 show the correct original early over riders and brackets as worn by the earliest AC Ace and Aceca , great photos, as
they show and confirm the correct rear lights, reflectors, fuel filler cap and budget boot lock as fitted at Thames Ditton during first few months
of manufacture.

 If any one can confirm which other cars in period wore these over riders it would be appreciated to assist not only Barrie but a few
 other Custodians of early AC Ace.[;)]

 Thank you Nik for posting the pictures and full credit to Marc Vogers who took the photos and G Dutton the lucky custodian in NL of such an original
AC Ace...[:p]
 .
 Keith
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: B.P.Bird on July 28, 2016, 16:42:44: Keith,
Yes lovely pictures and certainly a fortunate owner. Pedants Corner, just in case someone uses this thread for reference: I wonder about the rear lights, which are maybe a later bayonet type L539 as opposed to the correct early L488 ? I could speculate about the boot lid budget lock escutcheon as well, but we digress. I hope some expert out there can identify the early over riders from these excellent pictures. This would put us a step closer.
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: tim isles on July 28, 2016, 18:37:56: Barrie, I'm happy to join you in Pedants Corner on this car, AE 65, which I think is one of the most accurately preserved/restored early Aces I've seen. So many features to note - in addition to the original over riders with their special brackets, the 'Monza' fuel filler and the Lucas reflectors on the boot either side of the number plate, to name but two. The interior and under the bonnet are also areas where Thames Ditton originality is still very accurately reflected. You are of course correct in observing that the original (tiny) L488 rear lights have been replaced by red versions of the Lucas L539 - the modification made clearly to offer a little more illumination with safety in mind. At least the car has not been modified to fit the later rectangular L542 (used from 1955 to the end of 427 production), as has happened with many very early cars. The budget lock on the boot? Certainly still operated by the bonnet 'T' key at this stage in Ace production, but the tear shaped cover? You are right, probably not.

Whatever! None of which helps identify those early over riders. Surely they will have been used by other cars and not been manufactured specially by AC cars? Tim
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: minimans on July 30, 2016, 21:15:18: Anybody have a part number for those small round reflector's? I have a couple of box's of what look to be the same reflector they are mounted grommet style.
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on August 23, 2016, 09:11:58: .
   .
   NEWS

   Due to demand I have had another batch of Ace & Aceca over rider brackets made and a separate batch of Ace / Aceca brackets which accommodate the twin bumper bars, all pre drilled, just require fettling prior to painting.. [;)]
   Same price.... £16.00 each or £60.00 for set of 4 plus p & p.

   Keith ..[:)]
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: nikbj68 on October 17, 2016, 01:17:40: To save Keith a thousand words, check this out...

(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/nikbj68/BDC%20Ace%2060th%20Race%202014/Ace%20Aceca%20Overriders/image.jpg1_zps3pd0uu67.jpg) (http://"http://s134.photobucket.com/user/nikbj68/media/BDC%20Ace%2060th%20Race%202014/Ace%20Aceca%20Overriders/image.jpg1_zps3pd0uu67.jpg.html")
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on January 19, 2017, 11:19:31: .
   .
   Paul Anderson (UK) & Jodl Alfred (Austria).

   To save both of you scrolling through dozens of threads, I have revitalised this thread..[;)]
   Both styles of over rider bracket available, I have had another batch of each manufactured, Glad to supply and know they are being used, appreciated and protecting the vulnerable aluminium panels front and rear of AC Ace and Aceca's world wide..[:)]

   Please note New email address.

   keith.lessiter@gmail.com

   Cheers for Now

   Keith
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: PaulAnderson on January 19, 2017, 21:03:23: Thanks Keith

   Look forward to receiving them.

   They look very well made in the pictures - can't wait!

   Best wishes.

   Paul.
Title: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: AC Ace Bristol on January 24, 2017, 18:26:59: .

   Alfred and Paul

   Thank you for your orders for 14 X Over rider brackets.

   Due to yet another enquiry this week, I'm Having an additional batch made, all will be despatched Friday 27th /Saturday 28th January.[;)]

   Cheers

   Keith.
Title: Re: Ace/Aceca over riders
Post by: dkp_cobra on September 21, 2018, 09:02:30: I don't know whether it is good for something but here are some pictures.

This one shows my original Aceca (BE646) overrider in comparison to the cast version of Hawk cars.

(https://i.postimg.cc/DZDSZnwT/IMGP6604.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sQYjHFW6)

In the meantime I bought new overriders from Small Ford Spare parts (https://www.smallfordspares.co.uk/products/e493a-17996-b-over-rider-upright-pattern (https://www.smallfordspares.co.uk/products/e493a-17996-b-over-rider-upright-pattern)). They look a little bit different.

(https://i.postimg.cc/rmdGy8L1/P1030588.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ftNSBQyy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XvYchfHD/P1030589.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WdxkqkPM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/HLv4CrFW/P1030590.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5HvFB2xD)

But the quality is fine.