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AC Owners Club Forum => General Forum => Topic started by: duggan on May 29, 2011, 21:44:51
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Evening all,
Had a great sunny day at Brands today at the Masters Series - got to ask why people go to the FOS/Revival and be pushed out by the crowds, when you can see cars like this and next to no one there - just the best cars & all of the access you could ever want. Why is this not supported as it should??
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Gsfwv_0Jf4Y/TeKP7T8jejI/AAAAAAAACbI/Mnb0_gXH6pc/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520004.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Ez8I78jGCL8/TeKQCQQpiqI/AAAAAAAACbM/VZauChWYsYo/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520003.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8rzY9_VPO5s/TeKQNSNXenI/AAAAAAAACbQ/tbLFcUC4qmQ/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520005.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-LIqBqgJkr_Y/TeKQx3RSPnI/AAAAAAAACbU/PnmeqcrWrTQ/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520006.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vNgiOwCsGUQ/TeKQ11x6tnI/AAAAAAAACbY/yY0uv0y9e88/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520007.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wXSLSTJIMjU/TeKQ8kQYP3I/AAAAAAAACbc/vR1onYotkm4/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520008.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0yKBSfCoeIA/TeKRiMDs_bI/AAAAAAAACbg/mVQsvHa2EHk/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520009.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-QDX_tWzPk88/TeKRwBfVXWI/AAAAAAAACbo/wEsRYrMgXOI/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520011.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HSNzeclL1yE/TeKSH8bC3eI/AAAAAAAACbs/6QlhL_Y2tjk/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520012.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rlARhfExnd0/TeKSPSaGjSI/AAAAAAAACbw/9IgrM7gsI58/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520013.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aXtVt5fb5A8/TeKSrLbkl9I/AAAAAAAACb0/enXUcIUVIKk/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520017.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tr5UHJC6-es/TeKSs3nHBHI/AAAAAAAACb4/s8j5Bfy7xxk/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520016.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6LSqSxdC8vw/TeKTJhSMW9I/AAAAAAAACb8/duTFKqAOLHs/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520022.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-pE5FK2lbg1U/TeKTPZ0TCII/AAAAAAAACcA/ybBlm3kagbs/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520021.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-y5NTwrTHb_s/TeKTyBP7qrI/AAAAAAAACcI/X7LFA78gTpI/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520027.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FJiyqhmaCng/TeKUJY9DBwI/AAAAAAAACcM/qBk3H-kG9Q0/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520029.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--LUsrCP-aL4/TeKUNlxc40I/AAAAAAAACcQ/KT64EK18Q0E/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520028.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WBiIfsKqLoQ/TeKUhDQkGdI/AAAAAAAACcU/ka_i4ZYrvT8/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520030.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-njhCvzB9NGM/TeKUwMDgNmI/AAAAAAAACcY/B8vau9mTCpw/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520031.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wMdMzzQosCY/TeKVQCAzdrI/AAAAAAAACcg/_ttyZ3B281U/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520034.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MGQVQKcTddE/TeKVuA4JZaI/AAAAAAAACck/IWYv1c4-z2c/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520035.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-IWxO3PMfYVk/TeKWKh6BZCI/AAAAAAAACcs/5zye0ZRQXVo/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520038.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bRrW5eLl410/TeKXHMXTxGI/AAAAAAAACc8/3G2091SyONc/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520041.jpg)
...and now this sad tale - the AC Cobra driven by Simon Hadfield and the Lightweight E-Type by Jon Minshaw - this is them on the opening lap of qualifying...
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Fog8h4s3WjI/TeKXqdUdisI/AAAAAAAACdE/RTM2vS5W00M/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520044.jpg)
Then two corners later
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Lco0qBEKhcY/TeKYAgSDrkI/AAAAAAAACdI/-v9jt2s9nLg/s640/Brands%252520Hatch%252520045.jpg)
AC Cobra stuffed in the barriers & nose caved in / E-Type with a few less suspension parts....
Overall a cracking day all round - can't understand why it was so quiet though.
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Dont worry too much about the Cobra,it is a replica,while the real CSX2532 is nicely tucked away in a garage somewhere.This is the first year in five years that I did not go to this event for the whole three days,it is excellent value for £27.00 for three days racing.
The reason why this event ios not attended like the Revival and the FOS is because everyone here are classic motor racing fans,the FOS is a hyped up car show, I wont be going this year,the FOS and the Revival are `the` events to be seen at,there is absolutley no snobbery at this event, how many big corporate hospitality tents did you see at Brands ? Alot of the cars at this event also race at the Revival,the Masters Series is also run at Donington,another event that is not well attended.
I notice that Shaun and Gavins Cobras no longer have No plated fitted .
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Originally posted by aaron...I notice that Shaun and Gavins Cobras no longer have No plated fitted
Aah, but his helmet does!!!*
(http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/gallery/lemans2011/25511.jpg) (http://"http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/gallery/25441/Welcome-to-Le-Mans.html")
*Photo from the UltimateCarPage Le Mans 2011 Report Gallery (http://"http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/event/281/2011-24-Hours-of-Le-Mans.html"), with thanks.
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Talking of number plates....
The really strange thing is if you HPI check the GT40 TES 1E....
Its a Diesel Range Rover!
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....that belongs to his wife.
Nice to have all your race cars recorded on one skid-lid! The rest of us can only dream :-(
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Originally posted by REV
Talking of number plates....
The really strange thing is if you HPI check the GT40 TES 1E....
Its a Diesel Range Rover!
Did you do the hpi check to see if its ever been crashed ? [:)]
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No, I'd actually gathered that the Range Rover belonged to him as well, but thought I'd go for the pedant of the month award!
[:)]
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Originally posted by aaron: Did you do the hpi check to see if its ever been crashed ? [:)]
Well, I assume you were thinking of buying, but as the plate isn`t with the car you`ve left it! [:o)]
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Been away from classic racing for many years but can you really run replicas in the "Masters" series or is it a MK IV or other based replica racer[?]
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Originally posted by CRS9505
Been away from classic racing for many years but can you really run replicas in the "Masters" series or is it a MK IV or other based replica racer[?]
Shhh...it might be a secret [;)] [:I]
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Originally posted by CRS9505...Been away from classic racing for many years but can you really run replicas in the "Masters" series or is it a MK IV or other based replica racer[?]
Sorry to break the secret, but:
A MkIV wouldn`t be eligible, and what are commonly called 'replicas' wouldn`t be either.
This (and a few others) are exact facsimiles of an original Cobra (again, to a slightly variable level) matching technical specs of an equivalent original Cobra.
That`s the short, simplistic version! The full story needs a few pints and a sit-down to go through properly! [:D]
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Interesting..................maybe I'll just stick with the beer![:o)]
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Originally posted by nikbj68
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Originally posted by CRS9505...Been away from classic racing for many years but can you really run replicas in the "Masters" series or is it a MK IV or other based replica racer[?]
Sorry to break the secret, but:
A MkIV wouldn`t be eligible, and what are commonly called 'replicas' wouldn`t be either.
This (and a few others) are exact facsimiles of an original Cobra (again, to a slightly variable level) matching technical specs of an equivalent original Cobra.
That`s the short, simplistic version! The full story needs a few pints and a sit-down to go through properly! [:D]
OK, get the beers out ,Im all ears for finding out what a brand new car built to " matching technical specs of an equivalent original Cobra" is,if it is not classed as a `replica`, or can I call it an air car instead ? [:)]
Here is an interesting thread on the Cobra we are talking about.
http://www.csxinfo.net/web/modules/smf/index.php?topic=45.0
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Originally posted by aaron...OK, get the beers out ,Im all ears for finding out what a brand new car built to " matching technical specs of an equivalent original Cobra" is,if it is not classed as a `replica`, or can I call it an air car instead ? [:)]...
I`ll have a Magners, please. [:D]
This IS a replica, in the true definition of the word, being that it is exactly like that which it replicates, unlike most of the 'replicas' on the market which are in fact only lookalikes!
Semantics, I know, but there you go. [;)]
An 'air car' is where someone is suggesting that their car is a 'long lost' Cobra that has been rebuilt around a logbook or mudflap from an original, where the original no longer exists(... or maybe it does... EEK! Lawsuits all round![:0])
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.......and was the damaged e-type also a replica? and the GT40s ?, BMW lightweights?, surely the austin saloon was original? No....?[}:)]
Wasn't there a class for all of these replicas in the 750 m/c race meetings or was that for look-a-likes and kit cars?
Somehow I have the feeling that replicas and facsimilies will link to furniture and stir the replica chippendale desks and popcorn thread again.......................... Mine's a pint of Timothy Taylor,thanks![:o)]
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so would those be warm beers? Haven't visited the UK since I was 8 years old, but from what I'm told your pints sound un-appealing! [:D]
Serve me up a n icecold Heineken!
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First replica cars now Dutch replica beer !! [:D]
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Ok, this is getting personal!
There is, of course, a distinct possibility your luke warm beer that lacks CO-2 is owned by Heineken. In other words, my beer extorts money from you unsuspecting Englishmen by selling you an inferior beer... And if that would be the case, than would your beer not be the replica? Or do you all brew your own, making it a Kit-beer, really... [:D][;)]
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Heineken??? Ye gods. I'm always up for a Bishops Finger myself....
And yes, the BMW is a replica (of the Gosser Beer original that resides in Germany) It's a real BMW but not quite the one it pretends to be, so to speak. Nice car though, I'd find space in me garage...
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Wonder if they sell the Bishop's finger in Boston?
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Home brewed kit beer - thats one replica easy to spot, the heady aroma of wet carpet, tastes like pish and a headache to match journeys end in a sidepiped 427 cobra kit car [:o)]........the stuff of legend......[:o)] [:D]
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(http://lifeonblast.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/BF.jpg)
Untold pleasure from a Bishops finger? Trevor, no wonder you were banned!
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Originally posted by CRS9505
.......and was the damaged e-type also a replica? and the GT40s ?, BMW lightweights?, surely the austin saloon was original? No....?[}:)]
Wasn't there a class for all of these replicas in the 750 m/c race meetings or was that for look-a-likes and kit cars?
Somehow I have the feeling that replicas and facsimilies will link to furniture and stir the replica chippendale desks and popcorn thread again.......................... Mine's a pint of Timothy Taylor,thanks![:o)]
I only stated that the Cobra was a replica as it is a new car,try not to spill your Timothy Taylor,that is a nice beer to waste !!
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"This IS a replica, in the true definition of the word, being that it is exactly like that which it replicates"
Click on this link ,the car looks nothing like the one it replicates.
http://www.csxinfo.net/web/modules/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=45.0;attach=330
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why people go to the FOS/Revival and be pushed out by the crowds, when you can see cars like this and next to no one there - just the best cars & all of the access you could ever want. Why is this not supported as it should??
is the answer because they are all newly created exact reproductions of the cars builty to a theoretical "prototype" spec of which a few were raced in period? (am I getting close to the elegibility rules yet?)and on a different note but because Im new to the ACOC and a very slow afternoon where does the "Shelby Register" figure in all this?
Barman more beers! [:o)]
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Originally posted by Nik:"This IS a replica, in the true definition of the word, being that it is exactly like that which it replicates" To which Aaron replied:...the car looks nothing like the one it replicates...
Sorry, I was being a bit too general. I meant that it was built to the same spec as an original Cobra, unlike a Dax, RAM, Hawk, Factory 5, Superformance, ERA, etc. etc. Even the current Kirkhams wouldn`t pass muster, with their billet suspension, but they can and do build to original spec, beit 289 leafspring or 427 coil shapes.
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Presumably to run this machine it would need to be built to the exact specs of a factory or Shelby car? Would it need some form of recognisable chassis number?
(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee465/CRS9505/KGrHqIOKkYE3QOwgLmBN73DsHZ8w_31.jpg)
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Aaaah. The Yellow Peril! A fantastic example of how much you can do with a Hawk 289FiA, but there is nothing you could do to make it eligible for historic racing. Chassis number isn`t the issue, chassis difference is.
If you want a fearsome trackday beast and have £40k burning the proverbial hole in yer pocket, there`s not much that gives more bang for your buck, but that`s it!
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Originally posted by CRS9505
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why people go to the FOS/Revival and be pushed out by the crowds, when you can see cars like this and next to no one there - just the best cars & all of the access you could ever want. Why is this not supported as it should??
is the answer because they are all newly created exact reproductions of the cars builty to a theoretical "prototype" spec of which a few were raced in period? (am I getting close to the elegibility rules yet?)and on a different note but because Im new to the ACOC and a very slow afternoon where does the "Shelby Register" figure in all this?
Barman more beers! [:o)]
I will be very careful what I say here as I dont want you drinking too many beers, but I know of at least one new (replica) Cobra that has raced at the Revival.
I guess if you have all the paperwork for an original car,it makes it alot easier to race a new car at these events.
"Even the current Kirkhams wouldn`t pass muster, with their billet suspension, but they can and do build to original spec, beit 289 leafspring or 427 coil shapes."
The Shelby Registry , problably does not know about these cars, no owner of an original car is going to broadcast the fact that they have had a new car built for racing ,while the original car is tucked away in a garage somewhere.
"is the answer because they are all newly created exact reproductions of the cars builty to a theoretical "prototype" spec of which a few were raced in period? (am I getting close to the elegibility rules "
Yes you are, barman two pints of Spitfire please [^]
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Not just Cobra (and Daytona) owners who send out their replicated racers for such accident-prone events...but that, as they say, is another story.
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Ah yes, I forgot to mention the Daytona replica that was raced there in 1999 was it ?
Wasn`t that one of the 10 Daytona replicas that has been built on a 289 chassis ?
Thankyou for the back up that replicas are raced at such events.
Its quite simple really ,the cars were either built by AC or they were not built by AC ,I if they were not built by AC they are replicas,irrespective of the chassis design, as for the comments regarding the E Type that was crashed and the GT40`s,plus the other cars being replicas, I could not tell you whether they are replicas or not, as I have not researched these cars.
It is well known that certain Cobras being raced are replicas, as Mr Legate has pointed out some of these events can be quite accident prone events,with the original cars being worth so much money these days,it is very understanable that the owners dont want there pride and joy getting wrecked.
Who`s round is it, I will have a large brandy please .[^][^]
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Here's why you don't race the real thing (or is it?):
(http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/classic-car-images/cobra.jpg)
(http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/classic-car-images/cob6041.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3160/2882711588_acfcac0716.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/2882715286_ccc7752042.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3160/2882718264_c6518f038d.jpg)
Was wincing when i was the photos the first time.....but here is a link that will really make you cry:
http://www.motorbase.com/auctionlot/by-id/1855736585
Per thread - I'm youngish - so mines a Jägerbomb.....
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Yes, that is a real Cobra,it is COB6041 the photos of Whizzo stuffing the car into the tyre wall were taken by my mate Richard.
The car had not long been repaired after being stuffed at Spa the previous year.
This is what the car looked like after being crashed at Spa the previous year.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/2879396580_56b6a5ce96_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/19634747@N00/2879396580/)
COB 6041, Spa 6 hours 2007 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/19634747@N00/2879396580/)
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Keep going like that and this Cobra would fall into the replica category as well...
And I'll stick with the Heineken!!
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ouch (hope his insurance policy was up to date) maybe its also something to do with todays "replica" engine outputs and todays "legal" rubber vs the original performance available ...................what sort of replica is a Jägerbomb and would I drive it or drink it? [:o)]
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its the new German AC with a vette motor... It'll bomb..
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Love the period b/w photo - about the only car you dont see in full racing trim now is the Borgward Station Wagon.........Enough beer its kebab time.[:o)]
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Of course, Historic Racing can be tough on driver and machine, as demonstrated by 'Fearless' Frank Sytner, who suffered a heart attack in his Lola T70 towards the end of the 1000km race at the Donington Historic Festival in April. He is apparently making a good recovery now.
Click pic to go to the RACECARBUZZ Report (http://"http://racecarbuzz.com/events/donington-historic-festival-2011/"):
(http://racecarbuzz.com/wp-content/gallery/donington-historic-festival-2011/img_3456.jpg) (http://"http://racecarbuzz.com/events/donington-historic-festival-2011/")
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Originally posted by nikbj68
Of course, Historic Racing can be tough on driver and machine, as demonstrated by 'Fearless' Frank Sytner, who suffered a heart attack in his Lola T70 towards the end of the 1000km race at the Donington Historic Festival in April. He is apparently making a good recovery now.
Any idea who owns 645 CGT now ?
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Originally posted by aaron...Any idea who owns 645 CGT now ?
I spoke to Frank at Silverstone last year and asked him.
He said "Yes."
That`s it. Sorry!
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Originally posted by nikbj68
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Originally posted by aaron...Any idea who owns 645 CGT now ?
I spoke to Frank at Silverstone last year and asked him.
He said "Yes."
That`s it. Sorry!
Not too sure what you mean there Nik,I know he has sold the car.