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Damien
Belgium
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 Posted - 02 December 2007 : 09:06:06
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After some long and difficult discussions with the Belgian authorities, I finally have the registration papers of my car and can start with the renovation.
I purchased CF9 http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/damienheymans/ac428001.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/damienheymans/ac428007.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/damienheymans/ac428002.jpg
at Bonhams and intend to go for a serious renovation. I already found a rebuilt 427 engine
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/damienheymans/Img2747.jpg
and manual gearbox, as well as original Frua seats. However some questions are still open and need your advise.
I found no pictures of CF9 before it was painted black (I know it was white before). The car has airco and the dashboard
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/damienheymans/ac428006.jpg
is different from the others. Can this be original ? If not, does somebody has the drawings of the original. I have some good workmanship, but no experience in Fruas.
I was also thinking to convert it to LHD. Some advise on this issue ?
As the engine will go out, I would like to do all the work at once. Some advise on what needs to be checked (the radiator will be replaced).
I am still looking for front bumpers. If somebody can help, I would be gratefull. The windshield is also a topic, as it is OK, but not perfect.
Finally, I hesitate to repaint it in its original white. but does anybody know which white it could have been ?
Thanks in advance for your advise. I hope to have a great car for the summer and if somebody can tell me how to do it, I will insert picutres of the car.
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Classicus
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 December 2007 : 10:15:50
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Hi Damien
Judging by your shopping list and the short distance involved it might pay you to pop over the Channel and have a chat with Andy Shepherd (the Club's 428 Registrar) to plan everything properly first. He's not only just outside London but holds all the original factory records so who better ?
As for pictures if you haven't got one already open a Photobucket account, then when you're ready if you've any problems ask again.
Hope this helps 
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nikbj68
United Kingdom
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Classicus
United Kingdom
524 Posts |
Posted - 05 December 2007 : 23:31:32
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Hi Damien
Nice pics, she looks in excellent condition !
One small point. Rather than entering the Photobucket "Direct Link" code beginning with http://.... into any message, you can instead post the actual pictures themselves directly from your Photobucket account onto the Forum by adding the full "IMG" code in the bottom box as illustrated in the pic below. If you accidentally leave anything out no picture will appear at all, so make sure it's all copied and pasted across exactly to the message box. You can then keep clicking the "Preview" button till you've got it right.
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the dashboard
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/damienheymans/ac428006.jpg
is different from the others. Can this be original ?
Yes, it is the original. Although I'm not 100% sure, to the best of my knowledge your dashboard layout with the long toggle switches, continued up until about CF 48 or 49, when the later versions took over I believe right up to the end on CF 80. No idea about the pop-up headlight prototype CF 81 however - the last 428 made.
Good luck with the restoration !
Cass
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Damien
Belgium
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Posted - 09 December 2007 : 14:19:15
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Thanks for the advise. Hereby some better pictures of the dashboard. The switches are indeed original. But is this mid console shape original ? It has to vents built in for the airco, for which I also do not know whether it is original.
Does anyone has advise for the colour of the car (go back to its original white or not )? The chassis and the all the body panels and sills are in very good condition.
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Classicus
United Kingdom
524 Posts |
Posted - 09 December 2007 : 20:00:16
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Unfortunately I've hardly seen any cars with your earlier dashboard layout, however having seen the close-up pics it does look a bit different. I know the factory had a continuous programme of improvements and would happily add extras if required for any brand new car or existing owner, yet although it's only a guess I wouldn't have thought that much would have been altered in the basic package offered between CF 7 and CF 9.
In the pic above of CF 7 it's hard to tell if there's a clock or not in the central console, however it is angled back whereas yours looks to be upright - obviously for the airco.
If you haven't already have a look at some of the interior pics on the Register for comparisons as well.
Best of all ask Chuck Maddox who owns CF 7 for his opinion as by the sound of it his car is still very original. In fact in one of his early posts I remember him saying the seats still have the same crease patterns today as in some photos taken in the late 60's ! He might take a few interior photos for you ?
Can't help with the colour question I'm afraid....
Cass
Incidentally when in Photobucket you can also select the size of pics for display by clicking on "Size" on the top bar. Personally when updating the Register, I prefer to copy and paste all pictures into Word first, then using the measuring rule or bar across the top, left click on the pic itself and slowly reduce the corner squares that appear down to about 3 each time. The size that you do finally select will then be more or less the same size in the final message itself.
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Classicus
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 December 2007 : 22:09:59
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http://www.racecar.co.uk/acoc/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=642
Reference the post in the thread above on 14 November 2007 by Emmanuel
Just remembered this one. I gather that the red 428 in the pics is CF 14 and owned by none less than "Jim Feldman the president of the AC Club in the USA." I would therefore think it's fairly safe to assume that if anyone's going to be keen on getting his car as original as possible he would ! See if you can find any more similar dashboard layout pics to this one then you might well be able to satisfy yourself that this could be the original one.
Hth
Cass
 
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Damien
Belgium
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Posted - 12 December 2007 : 17:12:39
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Thanks everybody for the help. Does anyone know where to source the ventilation grill on the central console and the two chrome switches for the power windows, I guess.
Has anybody advise on the colour and its impact on the value of the car(back to original white - which white - or any other recomended colours). I tend to prefer darker colours but do not want to spoil the value of the car.
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cmaddox3
USA
172 Posts |
Posted - 14 December 2007 : 14:24:58
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Originally posted by Classicus
Classicus Posts: 09 December 2007 : 20:00:16
Unfortunately I've hardly seen any cars with your earlier dashboard layout, however having seen the close-up pics it does look a bit different. I know the factory had a continuous programme of improvements and would happily add extras if required for any brand new car or existing owner, yet although it's only a guess I wouldn't have thought that much would have been altered in the basic package offered between CF 7 and CF 9.
In the pic above of CF 7 it's hard to tell if there's a clock or not in the central console, however it is angled back whereas yours looks to be upright - obviously for the airco.
Fortunately, I am the current owner of CF 7 and I can comment on this.
OK, currently #91;and as we received it from Mr. Whitlam from London#93; the upper part of the instrument panel is as pictured. It has the angled back top center swich panel, and the driver's instrument cluster has a 8 guage cluster including: Speedo, Tachy, oil temp, oil pressure, fuel, water temperature, clock, Ampmeter. The clock #91;surprisingly enough#93; is top and center in this guage #91;I would have put the water temp flanked with oil pressure and oil temp personally#93;.
Where the current panel differs is below the central vertical divide of the panel... In the picture above there is a "J" shaped central portion which includes the heater controls and an ash tray... In CF 7 currently, this panel is different, it has a flat panel which fits the contours of the upper more closely, and includes the heater controls and a space for a radio, and a cigar lighter, the ashtray is now mounted on the transmission hump directly on top of the carpet.
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Originally posted by Classicus
If you haven't already have a look at some of the interior pics on the Register for comparisons as well.
The switches on your central console are the same as on CF 7 although it looks like they replaced the window lift switches with the same switches used for the windscreen washer moter on CF 7. CF 7 also does NOT have A/C so the upper center panel is entirely different as a result.
The steering wheel looks very much aftermarket to my eyes, and the instruments themselves do not seem to be as well matched as the set in CF 7.quote:
Originally posted by Classicus
Best of all ask Chuck Maddox who owns CF 7 for his opinion as by the sound of it his car is still very original.
Well, you have my opinion[s]... =) As I said the central bottom of CF 7's panel was modified between the time it was tested in all those magazines and the time Mr. Whitlam offered her for sale. Overall I prefer the current lay out to the "J" shaped center bottom panel.
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Originally posted by Classicus
In fact in one of his early posts I remember him saying the seats still have the same crease patterns today as in some photos taken in the late 60's ! He might take a few interior photos for you ?
Can't help with the colour question I'm afraid....
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Lighting is going to be a problem for photos #91;and it's a coupe too which restricts shooting angles, but I'll see if I can take a few if I get the chance...
As for color, I can't help you any more than Cass can... Other than to say, I would not be particularly enamoured of the Frua in White. Too plain Vanilla for me. The Frua looks great in nearly any color #91;Pink and white would be a couple of colors I'd try to avoid#93;. I'd recommend looking at the various colors other Frua's are displayed in the registery that Cass is working on, as well as some of the articles I and others have posted for ideas, if you're going to change colors.
I'll see if I can get some snaps taken, but I have been fighting the flu the past week #91;nasty business that#93; am not 100% and I still have Christmas shopping to do and all that.
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Emmanueld
USA
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Posted - 15 December 2007 : 19:39:27
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Damien, The center ventilation grill on the red roadster is not original, it's because the car has been fitted with an aftermarket air conditioner. You side vents look original however. The center pod is not original and you are missing the glove box as well. The glove box lock is available and I just saw it at RE-Original. For the steering wheel, Moto Lita was the source of the original and they are still around. The original is 15" and has a much smaller center hub. It's a smaller Cobra wheel without rivets. From the hub number of you current moto Lita wheel, you can identify the origins of the steering columm and order the proper steering hub. On the Cobras, AC used a VW Beetle steering columm, on the 428 I don't know. I know the turn signal pod is Jaguar. Your instrument layout is wrong and the tach and speedo are from a Range Rover, These were also installed on the later 428s with the flat dash (Same as mine), The original one were larger. If you want a source to duplicate the original gage, email me. I know the best shop in the US for that. Everything else looks genuine just poorly upholstered.
Regards,
Emmanuel
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Emmanueld
USA
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Damien
Belgium
67 Posts |
Posted - 16 December 2007 : 14:47:48
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| Thanks Emmanuel, I have ordered it and I will send you an e-mail as I am interested in the original gauges. |
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Emmanueld
USA
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Posted - 23 December 2007 : 20:54:15
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Hi Damien, did you talk to Margaret? She is truly very good at what she does, probaly the best in the US
Emmanuel |
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Emmanueld
USA
543 Posts |
Posted - 31 December 2007 : 08:43:35
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Hi Damien, we have got to work on these front bumpers. I have got to go over there to that guy and drop my bumpers. I will let you know. Sorry for the delay.
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cmaddox3
USA
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Posted - 31 December 2007 : 15:59:02
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My apologies for not being more active on the forum as of late. In mid-December I was felled by a severe case of Intestinal Flu [which I'm still not really 100% recovered from]. Additionally, the weather here has been intermittent lousy to unbearable the past couple of weeks.
Taking pictures of the cockpit area of CF 7 is still on my To-Do list for the benefit of Damien and CF 9, but I'd just as soon wait until a day when here isn't several inches of snow just outside the garage door [which I would probably have open for more available light...
With the news of the recent "check in" by the current owner of CF 6 it would seem that perhaps we should redouble our efforts to try to locate CF8 so we have a nice little string of early examples...
My best wishes to all participants here for a Safe and Prosperous New Year!
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Damien
Belgium
67 Posts |
Posted - 31 December 2007 : 17:31:30
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Originally posted by Emmanueld
Hi Damien, did you talk to Margaret? She is truly very good at what she does, probaly the best in the US
Emmanuel
Emmanuel,
The e-mail address you have given me does not seem to exist, and I did not yet find the time to call her, but I will do so;
Best wishes,
Damien |
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Emmanueld
USA
543 Posts |
Posted - 31 December 2007 : 18:25:51
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I hope she is still in business, I have to send her my tach, I will call on Wednesday!
Emmanuel |
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Emmanueld
USA
543 Posts |
Posted - 03 January 2008 : 17:53:09
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Picture of early 428 dash! Clock and water temp gage not original! Instruments are very similar to the MKIII except speedometer is not reverse rotation as in the big Cobra SC.
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Michael Trotter
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 January 2008 : 14:54:05
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Emmanuel
Don't want to be pedantic but I question your posting on 15 December re the steering wheel being Motalita. All the pictures I have show the Cobra wheel but not the 428 having 9 plugs presumably over rivets as you mention and the tapered slots in the spokes look wider on the Cobra than on the 428. The wheel on CF6 was made by Walsall Wheels Ltd. This is engraved next to the rim on the back of the spoke at 6 o'clock. If you turn the wheel 1/2 a turn to get this to the top and use a mirror you may see the same marking on your wheel - or perhaps not? Probably academic as I suspect Walsall Wheels are no longer in business and so Motalita is the first port of call. But apart from the cosmetic differences there may be differences in diameter (CF6 is 15 3/8"), dishing and hub size (CF6 is 48 spline and , I think but haven't checked, 3/4" OD). Just a cautionary note for Damien.
I have always thought the indicator/horn/headlight stalk switch was UK Ford (Cortina etc). CF6 switch is Lucas 35744A; the shroud round the column and switch is fibreglass which looks like home made at Thames Ditton. Surely Jaguar shrouds were all plastic mouldings?
Regards
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Emmanueld
USA
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Posted - 15 January 2008 : 09:25:38
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Michael Hi,
You are not being pedantic, you might be right, I have not seen any name stamped on my wheel but I will check again. Moto Lita said they were the supplier for AC in the 60s'. AC might have used more than one source. Oh well, even if they were not, they probably could make one! I had to replace the stalk and we used a Jaguar sedan which looked exactly the same. I am more familiar with the Cobra steering assembly than that of the Frua. Do you know for sure where it came from? Also your car is an early model and mine is a late one so!!!!!!! My car is equipped with a steering lock and yours probably is not. I will post some picture of the column to see if somebody can identify. What do you think?
Regards,
Emmanuel
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Emmanueld
USA
543 Posts |
Posted - 16 January 2008 : 19:21:25
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Damien, I just spoke to Margaret, she is still in business and I am sending her my tach to be modified for Electronic ignition use.
Emmanuel |
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Damien
Belgium
67 Posts |
Posted - 20 January 2008 : 12:51:47
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Emmanuel,
Do you have her mail address ?
Kind regards,
Damien |
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Emmanueld
USA
543 Posts |
Posted - 21 January 2008 : 00:58:36
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Damien, I will give you her address tomorrow from the office,
Is this the motor Dennis built? I did not see it finished! you ended up using iron heads.
Emmanuel |
Edited by - Emmanueld on 21 January 2008 01:00:04 |
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Damien
Belgium
67 Posts |
Posted - 23 January 2008 : 19:00:25
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Emmanuel,
The heads are aluminium,the intake manifold is an alu police interceptor.
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cmaddox3
USA
172 Posts |
Posted - 29 January 2008 : 19:27:41
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quote:
Originally posted by Classicus
Unfortunately I've hardly seen any cars with your earlier dashboard layout, however having seen the close-up pics it does look a bit different. I know the factory had a continuous programme of improvements and would happily add extras if required for any brand new car or existing owner, yet although it's only a guess I wouldn't have thought that much would have been altered in the basic package offered between CF 7 and CF 9.
In the pic above of CF 7 it's hard to tell if there's a clock or not in the central console, however it is angled back whereas yours looks to be upright - obviously for the airco.
If you haven't already have a look at some of the interior pics on the Register for comparisons as well.
Best of all ask Chuck Maddox who owns CF 7 for his opinion as by the sound of it his car is still very original. In fact in one of his early posts I remember him saying the seats still have the same crease patterns today as in some photos taken in the late 60's ! He might take a few interior photos for you ?
Hi guys!
Even though the weather is still lousy, and the lighting conditions are even worse, I managed to get a quick snapshot of CF7's interior today... I apologize for the terrible appearance of the interior. I really need to hit it with a bottle of ArmorAll:
For the most part this was the way the interior was configured when we picked it up about this time of year in 1976... The only addition is the AM/FM/CB/Cassette desk in the center with the especially cheesy plastic mock-wood bezel. At least it's reasonably close to the steering wheel wood trim color.
As you can see the configuration of the dash is different than it was during CF7's testing days, with the removal of the J shaped panel where the Ash Tray say, replaced with a more upright center dash area with the ashtray affixed to the transmission hump. You can also see the "direct from a 1966/7 Ford parts bin "T" handle which contrasts sharply from the later Automatic model's inverted "U" shaped shifter.
I hope this is of some assistance to Damien and CF9 and I remain available for additional queries should that be beneficial. I promise to ArmorAll the interior when the weather turns for the better in Spring.
Cheers!
-- Chuck
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Emmanueld
USA
543 Posts |
Posted - 03 February 2008 : 22:32:35
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Just for fun, here is the motor Dennis built for my Kirkham:
JE piston, Crowler billet rods, Edelbrock heads, big 830 Holley double pumper.
The rods are like jewels!
Regards,
Emmanuel |
Edited by - Emmanueld on 03 February 2008 22:33:47 |
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